The Province of Québec wants... An Army ?!?

evangilder · 11-06-2005, 08:45 PM

I would have rather stood in front of a firing squad than wear a blue helmet. I felt that 20 years ago, and I feel it even more strongly today.

P38 Pilot · 11-06-2005, 09:01 PM

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My brother was offered a UN peacekeeper's assignment - he laughed!!

Good for him! I hate the UN....

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I would have rather stood in front of a firing squad than wear a blue helmet.

Hey, i was thinking the exact same thing except i said i would rather get chased by an Ah-64 Apache! I hope when i join the Army, i will never have to wear that helmet.

evangilder · 11-06-2005, 09:15 PM

If they force you to wear the blue helmet, do yourself a favor and fall on your bayonet.

pbfoot · 11-06-2005, 09:33 PM

some can peacekeep others can't the US unfortunately doesn't seem to have the knack its a hard job keeping cool under that kind of pressure New Orleans had more cops on duty after Katrina then dallaire had troops the lightly armed ghanians bangledeshis and tunisians 200+ trying to do a job he had no tools for . Why didn't anyone care was it because it was of no strategic importance the belgians cut and ran as is normal he was the messenger and you want to shoot him . If you have access please check out the frontline story . I've seen people being made heroes out of for their own incompetence when there convoy got lost and nearly wiped out

FLYBOYJ · 11-06-2005, 10:21 PM

You're right pb - peacekeeping is a tough job, at one time the UN had the backbone to do this job (take the action in the Belgium Congo during the early 60s for example). The UN has become a corrupt disorientated body with of bunch of spineless left wing nincompoops. The US has never done well as a peacekeeper and I think it's because being a superpower, people are either going to expect miracles from you or attempt to "antagonize the bug guy."

Maestro · 11-06-2005, 10:51 PM

Okay, I never said Dallaire did a bad job with the Hutus/Tutsis. My point is that, when the survivors took cover in the house, Dallaire knew that some of his men were still alive but in great danger.

According to his own biography, he did what he had to do and asked for volunteers to jump in and attack the f*ckers. He was able to get a bunch of volunteers and then warned the High Command of his intentions. But the HC refused to give him the permission to attack.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a military law authorizing a soldier to ignore an order comming from an officer if he knows that this order is stupid ? So his job would have been to tell the HC to f*ck off and jump in the melee to save the survivors. He did NOT do it. He prefered to stay where he was and wait for the massacre to ends. That guy is a f*cking ******* !

When you go at war, you are responsible of every men under your command. If I was an officer and I knew that the life of one of my comrades was in danger, I would ask for volunteers, jump into the melee and shoot everything wearing a uniform different from mine. Piss on the HC !

Of course I would get Court Martialled (if I survived), but I would have done my job.

That's why Dallaire is considered as a war criminal in Belgium. He let his men down ! If ever Dallaire put a foot on Belgian ground, Belgian authorities have the order to arrest him and bring him in front of a Court.

102first_hussars · 11-07-2005, 03:34 AM

Flyboy J for **** sakes I must have posted this three times and Im doing it one more time and then you can stop wavin the flag on the roof.

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Anyway I had never intended to just blame the Americans for no reason, I was trying to find a way to explain from my earlier posts that, NOT JUST the Americans but the Allies were well known for executing Surrendering Gerries, More notably Russia,Canada and the US, I was going to say that back in those days when you were the winner of the war you kinda got away with those things, but its different now.

102first_hussars · 11-07-2005, 03:50 AM

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Yeah... I think that if bounty hunters were legal in Canada, I would raid his house and bring him in Belgium. May be I would get a big reward...

Doubt it, it is Belgium "And they Share a border with the Dutch"

plan_D · 11-07-2005, 03:57 AM

Are you a complete moron? You've posted that again because?

With that quote, you're still blaming the U.S for war crimes but you're saying because it won it gets away with it. How can you compare what the U.S did during World War II, to what the Soviet Union did?

What did the U.S do to "Surrending Gerries", hussars? More to the point, what did the U.S do to enemy troops that no one else in World War II did. And don't mention the soldiers shooting them all nations of the war did it, some more than other's. But most understood that you can't always take prisoners...

By the way, this Kingston education, I assume your classroom was an old boiler room. And your teacher was what could only be described as hell's own ugly creation, with about as much intelligence as a rotting corpse, an IQ not even half it's shoe-size, and a smell so vile it makes your stories smell like freshly baked Danish pastry. If you're what Kingston produces, no wonder Canada's going to the pot.

Didn't you try and mock NS for his literacy skills? That's a joke in it's own right, coming from someone who thinks when you give yourself up to an enemy soldier it's "surrending" ...honestly, it sounds more like a deformed way of posting the mail.

How do you manage to dress yourself in the morning? Trial and error?

FLYBOYJ · 11-07-2005, 09:17 AM

[quote="102first_hussars"] Flyboy J for fu*k sakes I must have posted this three times and Im doing it one more time and then you can stop wavin the flag on the roof. [quote]

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Anyway I had never intended to just blame the Americans for no reason, I was trying to find a way to explain from my earlier posts that, NOT JUST the Americans but the Allies were well known for executing Surrendering Gerries, More notably Russia,Canada and the US, I was going to say that back in those days when you were the winner of the war you kinda got away with those things, but its different now.

No flag waving here, just good-ole down to earth, non-aligned common sense - points were earlier made clearly, the thread moved on, I suggest you do the same!!!

To make you feel better I included it in my post....

Nonskimmer · 11-07-2005, 11:47 AM

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102 your no more of an officer in Jtf2 then i'm one of the 3 tenors your facts are invariably incorrect and smack of a typicaly uneducated insecure canadian get a grip because its attitudes like yours that make us look silly. Rwanda was a screw up at the highest levels (security council) but canada would have trouble logistic wise to get anyone there we don't have enough canoes

You practically took the words out of my mouth. I thought you'd mentioned you were a master warrant officer, Huss? What the hell were you doing at Kingston RMC?

When it comes to Roméo Dallaire, my feelings are actually a bit mixed. I think Dallaire was a good desk general that cracked in the field. It wasn't really his calling. He would have been better suited to running things from the other end, well behind the "lines" as it were. I think he froze under pressure, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a criminal. Accountable yes, as he was running the show, but not a criminal.

pbfoot · 11-07-2005, 02:38 PM

flyboys qoute "you may have a sub-par leader placeing you in harms way." well in canada were used to subpar leaders and it kinda looks the the sickness has moved south

Nonskimmer · 11-07-2005, 02:42 PM

Great. Our very own border war right here.

Boys, are we really that freakin' petty? Can we just stop the bullsh*t please? Come on now, let's just move on! Enough!

Maestro · 11-07-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

When it comes to Roméo Dallaire, my feelings are actually a bit mixed. I think Dallaire was a good desk general that cracked in the field. It wasn't really his calling. He would have been better suited to running things from the other end, well behind the "lines" as it were. I think he froze under pressure, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a criminal. Accountable yes, as he was running the show, but not a criminal.

Well, when you're wanted by an foreign gouvernment for charges of "War Crimes", I think we can call the wanted man a "War Criminal". I didn't invented it, Belgian authorities have the order to put him under arrest as soon as he put a foot on Belgian ground.

But I'm gonna contact the Belgian "Ministère de la Défense" to know a little more about it... I'll let you all know.

Nonskimmer · 11-07-2005, 03:01 PM

Well, they justifiably have strong feelings about it. It was their men who were slaughtered under his command. Regardless of the fact that they choose to think of him as a criminal however, I disagree.