Rank Bush's Presidency.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by wingnuts

Arrgh!... my apologies, I voted when I shouldn't have... my only excuse is the time of day.... I started work early today (05.00) plus it is the first day back after our daylight saving time change..... I'm not with it! :O

No problem

[syscom3]

Adler ....

"Please, while anyone can comment, I only want US members to vote."

Thats quite explicit.

If you dont live in the US, how can you judge Bush for domestic issues (military personell exempted)?

Remember you had a similar type poll about only Europeans voting for that missle radar system in eastern Europe.

[Bluehawk]

Since post-9/11, I've rated him very high in personal conduct and everything except his economics which, frankly, he basically handed off to other people right from the git.

But, overall he has been a much better President and CINC than he's given credit for.

I will miss him and his family, very very much.

[renrich]

Here we go again. Bush inherited an economy in recession. 9-11 came along and the stock market had a worse week than last week. Several bad hurricanes also put a crimp in the economy. We then had 52 months of economic growth which was a record. Bush did not cause the sub prime mess and in fact warned against the problem numerous times. The sub prime mess is absolutely a dimocrat caused problem. We have not had another domestic terrorist attack. Other nations have. There are reports that a number of attacks have been foiled in this country. We have removed Saddam from power and it appears that the situation in Iraq is stable and a democracy may emerge there. Al Quaeda appears to be weakened everywhere. Bush nominated and got approved two strict constructionist supremes. He also initiated and got legislated a tax cut for all Americans( except the 50% or so who don't pay federal income tax) He tried to address the looming Social Security problem but was rebuffed. He tried to address the immigration issue in a fair and humane way. He also has attempted to increase use of our domestic energy resources. For those of you who are worried about Bush's popularity overseas, please recall that Reagan was not popular much of the time in Europe. Blue hawk, I agree with you 100% and well said. Those who would blame Bush for our current economic problems, please explain to me his role. The recent "bailout bill" is similar to the RTC solution in the 80s implemented in the Reagan Administration which cost the country little or nothing which I expect will be the case here and now.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Adler ....

"Please, while anyone can comment, I only want US members to vote."

Thats quite explicit.

If you dont live in the US, how can you judge Bush for domestic issues (military personell exempted)?

Remember you had a similar type poll about only Europeans voting for that missle radar system in eastern Europe.

I apologize, I must have missed that in the post. Was it there when I made my comment to you?

[syscom3]

If the Wall Street bailout had not occurred, I would have ranked him in the middle.

But the Wall Street fiasco happened under his watch, with his regulators at the helm. It doesn't matter how much blame we can attach to the democrats, as he had plenty of time to begin raising the alarm and documenting the congressional and senate actions that were dangerous.

Thus, I look at the sum total ..... ballooning trade deficits, ballooning budgets and now the mortgage crises.

A complete failure as far as I am concerned.

[javlin]

I had to go with underperforming.While the first for years were better than average the crap with the aliens and his abject failure to lead from conservative point of view has disappointed me.I think a good 60% of this country are more conservative than our media thinks and that's why Reagan won.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Bluehawk

Since post-9/11, I've rated him very high in personal conduct and everything except his economics which, frankly, he basically handed off to other people right from the git.

But, overall he has been a much better President and CINC than he's given credit for.

I will miss him and his family, very very much.

I will miss President Bush as Commander in Chief as well.

I think the Fed Res Bank is getting off largely unscathed. Rates should have been raised some time ago, in my opinion. While that wouldn't have a direct impact, it would have helped shore up unusually low rates which helped precipitate this whole situation.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Njaco

I agree with TO. IIRC at the end of Reagan's pres. there was alot of name-calling about Iran-Contra, absent-minded, etc. But now 20+ years on, he is regarded as one of the best.

So while it was a toss-up between average and underperforming I went with average in anticipation of how a few years of his policies work out.

While I rank RR higher today than I did in the 80s.. IMO he was actually a better president that many gave him credit for... but let's face it.. during the last 2 years of his presidency he had alzheimers.. and don't ask me for facts and proof and all that BS... He had moments when he was all there.. and he had moments when he wasn't.. Anyone familiar with alzhiemers can just look at some of his footage from the last 2 years and look in his eyes and they will know exaxctly what I am talking about.

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

If Bush really violated the law then why is it the leftest speaker of the house Nancy "B!tch" Pelosi never brought up charges against him, something she could clearly do?!?!?!?!?!

From what I hear that is in the works by some folks... and also didn't he write a law giving him and his administration immunity from any charges in reference to Gitmo, Abu & any constitutional vilolations.. I think it was Taxi to the Dark side where I heard that.. because the memory is not in my head as print.

Anyway.. while I wouldn't say that he was a total disaster, considering that

- the U.S. standing in the world has hit an all time low, we are not safer than we were before he got in here... just because we stopped a few terrorists doesnt mean that the "war on terror" is won... it isn't.. and if anything we multiplied the terrorists ANDS gave them OJT to boot.. , the economy is on the brink of collapse, wealth in this country , which was already skewed to the top has been even farther skewed in that direction, the middle class is getting squeezed tighter than ever, corporations have more power now than they did 9 years ago, and I wont even go into the war, which was ill conceived and poorly executed, through no fault of the military... in fact if the president had paid more attention to his military, and I include his then secretary of state, instead of that pencil pushing Rumsfeld and Dick "SoWhat"Cheny .. then perhaps perhaps we never would have gone into Iraq when and in the manner in which we did, Iran is on the verge of getting nukes, Korea has them, and Russia is basically saying "STFU.. what are you going to do take your tired army and stop us?" , and speaking of our tired army..... while so many of our soldiers, the majority in fact serve with distinction, when they get out , or maimed for life, or killed, them and their loved ones get no where near the support they deserve from our government, medical , financial or otherwise, and I live in Northern Va. so I know quite a few returning vets, some disabled... and many of them are getting the nickel & dime treatment, while wall st. gets a 700B bailout, with the "executive compensation issue as one of the major sticking points" (I am not totally against the bailout.. but hell, we reward mediocrity at the top, and criminalize it at the bottom.. a shame IMO) - and I could go on..... at length.... I would have a very hard time rating his presidency above underperforming.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

From what I hear that is in the works by some folks...

And who are these "folks?" If they're serving in congress the only one who really has the power to move forward with something like this is Pelosi and she's not doing it because every congressman and senator who gave bush the green light prior to the Iraqi invasion hold some responsibility, and even though there was a Republican majority in both houses, a hell of a lot of democrats voted to support Bush.

You could be referring to Dennis Kucinich or Maxine Waters - two socialist fruitcakes....

Oh BTW - Tired soldiers? I work at the USAFA and deal with folks from Fort Carson - I've met Army and Air Force personnel who have done 2 and 3 tours and I could tell you they're far from "tired." There are many brave Vets who have gotten screwed over the past few years but there are many, and I do mean many members of our armed forces who will go to battle at a moment's notice regardless who is president.

[Bluehawk]

Yes... people do too easily forget how many times he tried very hard to put through useful and Bi-partisan initiatives that would have been good for America... if he wasn't being insulted by the Left, he was being belittled by the Right.

It was very very sad to watch, and the experience has permanently damaged my regard for Congress and the MSM - forever.

Originally Posted by renrich

Here we go again. Bush inherited an economy in recession. 9-11 came along and the stock market had a worse week than last week. Several bad hurricanes also put a crimp in the economy. We then had 52 months of economic growth which was a record. Bush did not cause the sub prime mess and in fact warned against the problem numerous times. The sub prime mess is absolutely a dimocrat caused problem. We have not had another domestic terrorist attack. Other nations have. There are reports that a number of attacks have been foiled in this country. We have removed Saddam from power and it appears that the situation in Iraq is stable and a democracy may emerge there. Al Quaeda appears to be weakened everywhere. Bush nominated and got approved two strict constructionist supremes. He also initiated and got legislated a tax cut for all Americans( except the 50% or so who don't pay federal income tax) He tried to address the looming Social Security problem but was rebuffed. He tried to address the immigration issue in a fair and humane way. He also has attempted to increase use of our domestic energy resources. For those of you who are worried about Bush's popularity overseas, please recall that Reagan was not popular much of the time in Europe. Blue hawk, I agree with you 100% and well said. Those who would blame Bush for our current economic problems, please explain to me his role. The recent "bailout bill" is similar to the RTC solution in the 80s implemented in the Reagan Administration which cost the country little or nothing which I expect will be the case here and now.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by mkloby

I will miss President Bush as Commander in Chief as well.

I think the Fed Res Bank is getting off largely unscathed. Rates should have been raised some time ago, in my opinion. While that wouldn't have a direct impact, it would have helped shore up unusually low rates which helped precipitate this whole situation.

He is made to blame for whatever extent to which the "reputation" of America is "at an all-time low" as well - when, in fact (assuming that assertion IS true in any degree), there are many many decades and many many individuals who have contributed to that perception - not least the propaganda of Al Qaeda and Osama Bin and the boys.

It is astonishing how closely the diatribes from the American Left parallel almost the precise wording of Bin Laden and Zawahiri's harangues.

I have lost almost all my "friends" and business "clients" in the past seven years due directly, by their own admissions of one kind and another, to my trust of and belief in Dubya and the GWOT than at any other time or for any other reason in my entire 62+ years of life.

When I point out to "Bush-hating" acquaintances that their words are virtually identical with Al Qaeda's, they become extremely angry and agitated. Three years ago I even had one long-time colleague threaten to sue me in court for having harassed him by saying so in a PRIVATE online discussion!

When he and his family leave office, the better part of my heart will go with them wherever they may be. I intend to become a small donor to his forthcoming library, and if I live long enough, to visit it and sign the guest book.

He was a noble, sincere, hard working, compassionate, honorable President.

[Amsel]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Pbfoot, jugbr and amsel:

You're not US citizens, so why did you feel you had the right to violate my request in this poll?

Start your own thread for international views.

When did Texans stop being U.S. citizens. My family has been in the U.S. since the 1700's. I am a citizen by birth. Anglo-Saxon American.

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by Amsel

When did Texans stop being U.S. citizens. My family has been in the U.S. since the 1700's. I am a citizen by birth. Anglo-Saxon American.

Yup you are.

I confused you with someone else.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Amsel

When did Texans stop being U.S. citizens. My family has been in the U.S. since the 1700's. I am a citizen by birth. Anglo-Saxon American.

Ohhhh an Anglo-Saxon... how impressive!