Rank Bush's Presidency.

syscom3 · 10-07-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Amsel

Agreed. But that would help the citizens. Leadership of the elite or the people. Should the executive branch warn Americans or side with other politicians?

The executive must always side with the public.

Any president who doesnt understand that, risks being thrown into the trash heap of history as a failure.

renrich · 10-07-2008, 06:43 PM

It is easy to sit here in hindsight and say that he should have done this or that. He did try to sound the alarm but the dimocrats shouted everyone down just like they did in the senate banking commitee when the republicans tried to reign in FNMA in 2006. Our government is not a dictatorship and the president can't just do anything he wants anytime he wants to. I am sure that if he had been able to see the future, he would have tried harder to effect a change but the crystal ball doesn't work that way. Politics get in the way many times just as they do today. We now have a crisis of confidence and if Bush or MCCain stand up and say that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, which is true, then the dimocrats say you have your head in the sand and don't understand what the average American is going thorough and are out of touch with reality. They are going to keep playing that card until the election is over because they see that as the way to win the election. If one cannot see that, then one is not using common sense. As far budget deficits go, we had huge deficits during the Reagan administration and he is ranked as one of the best presidents.

Bluehawk · 10-07-2008, 08:07 PM

There's another old saying that should go right along with "The buck stops here."

That would be, "Passing the buck."

All Dubya ever did was take positions and ask for help or a better idea.

Instead, he got scorn and ridicule - way too often.

Amsel · 10-07-2008, 08:31 PM

The President of the United states of America is a tough job I imagine. We need to hire the right person for the job I guess. Too bad the right person for the job will not have a chance under our current system.

Harvard · 10-09-2008, 01:19 AM

I rate him as underperforming, because he's done as much good as bad. I'll give him a 65%, a D.

The good things he's done: great tax cuts, and winning in Iraq

The bad things: Supports amnesty, spends like a drunken sailor.

Conclusion, not really conservative, and not as bad as the Johnson Administration (Clinton).

Bluehawk · 10-09-2008, 10:00 AM

a. Dubya NEVER "supported amnesty", nor did anyone else who was trying to do something useful about illegal immigration... regardless of what Loud Lou Dobbs and Rush to Judgement Limbaugh think.

b. CONGRESS approves ALL budgets, not the President.

syscom3 · 10-09-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluehawk

a. Dubya NEVER "supported amnesty", nor did anyone else who was trying to do something useful about illegal immigration... regardless of what Loud Lou Dobbs and Rush to Judgement Limbaugh think.

Dubya was at the forefront to allow amnesty to illegals.

Facts are facts, and no matter how he tried to spin it, he was allowing illegals a free right to stay in the country.

ccheese · 10-09-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

Dubya was at the forefront to allow amnesty to illegals.

Facts are facts, and no matter how he tried to spin it, he was allowing illegals a free right to stay in the country.

The President urged Congress to provide additional funds for border security, and committed to deploying 6,000 National Guard troops to the Mexico–United States border. In May-June 2007 Bush strongly supported the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 which was written by a bipartisan group of Senators with the active participation of the Bush administration. The bill envisioned a legalization program for undocumented immigrants, with an eventual path to citizenship; establishing a guest worker program; a series of border and work site enforcement measures; a reform of the green card application process and the introduction of a point-based "merit" system for green cards; elimination of "chain migration" and of the Diversity Immigrant Visa; and other measures. Bush contended that the proposed bill did not amount to amnesty.

Source: Wiki

Charles

Bluehawk · 10-09-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

Dubya was at the forefront to allow amnesty to illegals.

Facts are facts, and no matter how he tried to spin it, he was allowing illegals a free right to stay in the country.

Horse puckey...

He and hundreds of other thinking humans were at the forefront of establishing the requirement that to gain citizenship and/or work here a person must go to the back of the line, pay the costs and complete all necessary obligations.

No "amnesty" of any possible conceivable description was involved either in his speeches, intentions or the proposed legislation which was foolishly defeated by innuendo and extremely destructive mis-information which continues to this day.

renrich · 10-09-2008, 02:04 PM

Well said Bluehawk. No matter how the Limbaughs et. al. try to spin it it was no way no how amnesty unless the word means something different from what it says in the dictionary. There were a tortuous set of requirements for illegals to go through before being granted citizenship. My suspicion is that the conservatives who kept screaming "amnesty" either don't want any latinos allowed into our country or they have no understanding of the problem and the role that latino immigrants play in our economy and future of this country. Whether or not the plan which Bush backed along with the requirements for citizenship for illegals would have worked is another question.

syscom3 · 10-09-2008, 02:17 PM

Absolutely nothing in that bill required illegals to go to the back of the line.

More than one senator and congressman looked through the bill and saw not one thing regarding it.

You guys were hoodwinked by the Bush spin machine.

Shame on you.

Bluehawk · 10-09-2008, 03:24 PM

No, shame on YOU!

Read it for yourself, all 710 sections.

Link:
Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007

Bluehawk · 10-09-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

Well said Bluehawk. No matter how the Limbaughs et. al. try to spin it it was no way no how amnesty unless the word means something different from what it says in the dictionary. There were a tortuous set of requirements for illegals to go through before being granted citizenship. My suspicion is that the conservatives who kept screaming "amnesty" either don't want any latinos allowed into our country or they have no understanding of the problem and the role that latino immigrants play in our economy and future of this country. Whether or not the plan which Bush backed along with the requirements for citizenship for illegals would have worked is another question.

It was not the entire solution, quite right.

However, it was a very effective pragmatic step in the correct direction, which could easily have been built upon to achieve a thorough reform.

As it stands now, we have nothing... absolutely nothing because a handful of loudmouths got stuck on stupid.

Our President put his disappointment in a more gentle manner... but I am not similarly obligated.

The defeat of that legislation was plainly foolish and destructive to our Republic.