San Francisco Bans ROTC

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I think that the government has said they will cut some funding for it. Atleast that is what I heard when California first started this up.

I hope they do - coercion of that type can be very effective when you pinch the pocketbook... That's a perfect example of "San Francisco values."

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

This pisses me off. I was an ROTC cadet and it some of my fondest memories from when I was in High School. Learn so many things and I personally think it makes the students better students and better Americans.

Adler i couldn't agree more. Had same great times in Army cadets at high school and still think upon it fondly with memories. Though the Cadets or ROTC isn't for every one as my son has showed no interest in joining the Cadets as an after school activity which is his choice. but i maintain let the kids make the choice if they want to join ROTC or Army Cadets etc and allow them and give them that choice. To many flaming do gooders try and tell us what our kids want and should do. to those do gooder i say one thing. go stuff yourself and frequently. thats the polite reply you could imagine the reply i would give in person hahaha

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Adler i couldn't agree more. Had same great times in Army cadets at high school and still think upon it fondly with memories. Though the Cadets or ROTC isn't for every one as my son has showed no interest in joining the Cadets as an after school activity which is his choice. but i maintain let the kids make the choice if they want to join ROTC or Army Cadets etc and allow them and give them that choice. To many flaming do gooders try and tell us what our kids want and should do. to those do gooder i say one thing. go stuff yourself and frequently. thats the polite reply you could imagine the reply i would give in person hahaha

San Francisco values are not about allowing personal choices and options - unless it's about abortion. Other than that - their rhetoric espouses that Americans are too unintelligent to make their own decisions and the gov't is better equipped to make them for them due to the public's lack of responsibility. Socialist tendencies, anyone?

[ndicki]

Originally Posted by mkloby

San Francisco values are not about allowing personal choices and options - unless it's about abortion. Other than that - their rhetoric espouses that Americans are too unintelligent to make their own decisions and the gov't is better equipped to make them for them due to the public's lack of responsibility. Socialist tendencies, anyone?

Sounds like France to me. They're like that here, too. Problem is, you do it for too long, you end up being right. That's what has happened here.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Adler i couldn't agree more. Had same great times in Army cadets at high school and still think upon it fondly with memories. Though the Cadets or ROTC isn't for every one as my son has showed no interest in joining the Cadets as an after school activity which is his choice. but i maintain let the kids make the choice if they want to join ROTC or Army Cadets etc and allow them and give them that choice. To many flaming do gooders try and tell us what our kids want and should do. to those do gooder i say one thing. go stuff yourself and frequently. thats the polite reply you could imagine the reply i would give in person hahaha

I could not agree more. I will encourage my children to join ROTC but if they do not want to that is there choice. It should be the choice of the children and there parents, not the fricken city or state. ****ing flamers!

[ndicki]

I wouldn't have even to ask my eldest daughter, she'd join first and then appear out of nowhere in uniform looking like the cat that got the cream! Pity that there is no British Cadet Force unit in France. They may resurrect the Scout troop they had nearby - better than nothing, I suppose.

[Emac44]

As i said adler its up to the kids if they want to join the Cadets or ROTC and up to the parents as well to allow the kids to join ROTC or Cadets. Its about freedom to chose not up to some obscure Government Body to dictate to us about choices. To hell with petty party politics coming from some individuals with their own agendas. they can always be protested against and organized against to thwart their agendas no matter the arena. this is a bit different but i am going to relate to you something similar. In my previous marriage my eldest step son is intellectually disabled. Many years ago there were state run organisations dealing with the disabled adults and children in society. the so called do gooders had lobbied the state govt of queensland had them all closed down etc. and for various reasons why these children were in these govt run organisations varied from negelect to the parents being unabled to care for their own children because of either financial or emotional strains on families. mostly its emotional strains on families that occur. but to make a long story short most of these disabled kids were returned to the families involved. the economic hardships and emotional hardships occured and 2 out of 5 marriages in those families ended in divorce breaking up the family units involved. This so called social experiment backed by the do gooders cause untold family hardships which is now just getting back to the way it was previously. The state govt at the time thought it was a great idea because they wouldn't have to fund it and spend state revenue on these kids any more. The social experiment was a failure for the families involved and all families to my knowledge had 1 or 2 fall backs to go to either the families went to the various church organisations for help or they abandoned their kids to the state forcing the state government to re- avaluate the situation what they had placed families in. Quiet a few of the care centres for these kids were run by various church groups in the first place with full time employees and carers that were funded in part by the state government and these had to close due to the grand social experiment forced upon families by bloody do gooders and a inept state government at the time. for my ex wife and myself it didn't effect us to the extreme it effected other families at the time but we knew of families that went through sheer hell over what occured but sometime later when my ex wife and i could not cope with our own son because he was one getting older and more difficult to handle inside our own family unit we had no where to turn to for assistance with the current family problems at the time. so we contacted an organisation run by the Uniting Church of Australia called Uni-Care who helped us gain for our son independant funding from the State Governmnet of Queensland, This funding which is still concurrent runs for his entire life and caters for his housing his carers and his living daily needs and indepandant of the family. He receives not only a pension because of his disability but also his living expenses and his care is now taken care of etc. My ex wife and I had to lobby our local state politican to do all this in advance for our son's care and needs. the value of this funding is set in real terms and subjected to inflation and day to day expenses at $100,000 AUD per year and increases annually for the rest of his life. the boy is living quiet cheerfuly and happily in and indepandant life style from the rest of the family and turns 23 at the end of this year. We had to do the hard yards as a family but it was a family situation for a child. what i am trying to say if you value your kids and you want them to have the best in life and have choices like ROTC or Cadets lobby these politicans these bodies that are on school boards and let your voices be heard so the bastards know they can not get away with social experiments that effect your kids and yourself. You have to do it otherwise you lose the choices for your kids

[Nonskimmer]

Originally Posted by Matt308

Thanks for cheering me up guys. I think I'll go slit my wrists.

Ha!

I mean...Don't do it man, it ain't worth it.

Well, they haven't banned the cadet corps here yet, that's about all I can say. I was an Air Cadet as a young fella, myself. I guess that's how I ended up in the Navy.

[Matt308]

Lot's of talk about removing federal funds, but I rather doubt that will happen. Bush doesn't have the cahones to go up against Pelosi. Where is the even handed ACLU? If that was a gay club ban, they would be on this like stink on stuff.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

Ha!

I mean...Don't do it man, it ain't worth it.

Well, they haven't banned the cadet corps here yet, that's about all I can say. I was an Air Cadet as a young fella, myself. I guess that's how I ended up in the Navy.

well like Canada we still have our Cadet Corps and hope we always will do.
and that reminds me of a mate of mine when we went to enlist in the military. we had both been through Army Cadets at school. He wanted to join the Australian Navy and when asked by a Chief Petty Officer if he could swim? My mate replied what hasn't the Navy got any ships? My mate came away from that interview and joined the Army straight away

[Matt308]

[Nonskimmer]

It's amazing how many guys in the Navy can't swim. Well, not very well anyway. They try to teach non-swimmers to at least be able to float, in basic training.

[Matt308]

Isn't that like a soldier who can't walk? Or an airman who is afraid of heights?

[Matt308]

Or a Marine who can't drink?

[Nonskimmer]

Marines can drink nowadays? Well I'll be damned.