Sheehan launches Pelosi challenge

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by renrich

As long as they stick to a strict interpretation of the constitution, I will be ok with them. We had elected criminal judges in Texas and politics and jurisprudence in my opinion don't mix well, especially at the level of the supreme court.

Often wondered whether it was better with elected judges and law enforcement people and I actually agree with you

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by syscom3

And perhaps the conservative judges will be activists in their own area's of interest?

The only solution to control judges is by having a reaffirmation of their appointment by popular elections every "x" number of years.

Interesting idea sys. I think I like it.

Dave - I agree with you regarding conservatives appointed. Well, I will appreciate their appointments because I'm very conservative minded on most issues. Others will see their appointment, obviously, as a thorn in their side for decades to come.

[ToughOmbre]

America is a traditional, and for the most part conservative country, and unique in the world as it is based on Judeo-Christian values, which distinguish it from most other countries. Certainly there is a movement from the far-left, the ACLU, the liberal media and others to steer us toward a secular-progressive society. In this atmosphere, IMHO, it is crucial to have more conservative, traditional judges. I'll take judges like Roberts and Alito all day long over the likes of Ginsburg and Souter.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

America is a traditional, and for the most part conservative country, and unique in the world as it is based on Judeo-Christian values, which distinguish it from most other countries. Certainly there is a movement from the far-left, the ACLU, the liberal media and others to steer us toward a secular-progressive society. In this atmosphere, IMHO, it is crucial to have more conservative, traditional judges. I'll take judges like Roberts and Alito all day long over the likes of Ginsburg and Souter.

Rock on Brother! Many people underestimate the powerful influence of Christianity in the US. Millions of Americans vote with religious conviction rather than the promise of handouts; something which is lost on many candidates that run for president planning on taking the NE and west coast states only...

[renrich]

Previous two posts very good. I agree wholeheartedly.

[renrich]

Recently read a book about the Texas Rangers in the 20th century. For those who don't know, the Rangers were a state appointed group who in the 1830s were formed to primarily fight the indians but gradually over time evolved into a state police force to fight crime. Today they are a branch of the Dept of Public Safety and their main duty is to help rural police and sheriffs to solve crimes where the locals don't have the advanced techniques the Rangers do. I know one of the Rangers who investigated the mess in Waco with David Koresh and the Rangers don't have a high opinion of the federales. If the Rangers had been allowed to handle the situation, the mortality rate would have been much lower. But that is another story. My point is that often in the past when there has been graft and corruption or wrongdoing by a local constabulary, particularly during the time of Prohibition, the Rangers would go in and restore order in a particular county because the sheriff who was elected or the police chief who was appointed by the town government had a conflict of interest and was unable or unwilling to correct the situation and abide by the law. Often elected judges were also conflicted and they were taken down by the Rangers in some cases. Those situations highlight the problem of politics and jurisprudence being mixed. I would regret it if the supreme court of the US felt they had to take a poll before every ruling so they could make sure they were on the right side of the issue as far as the voters were concerned.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

America is a traditional, and for the most part conservative country, and unique in the world as it is based on Judeo-Christian values, which distinguish it from most other countries. Certainly there is a movement from the far-left, the ACLU, the liberal media and others to steer us toward a secular-progressive society. In this atmosphere, IMHO, it is crucial to have more conservative, traditional judges. I'll take judges like Roberts and Alito all day long over the likes of Ginsburg and Souter.

The most dangerous threat to American democracy, or any democracy, is activist judges who think they can interpret black and white constitutional laws in a manner to suit their own interest. Imagine, in the US, only five non-elected judges can takeaway all our cherished liberties by slanting the interpretation of the law. Guns can be removed by claiming right to carry arms meant only an authorized militia. Religion can be forced to changed or made illegal or lose their tax status because judges ruled certain "socially acceptable" activity or a teaching has to be accommodated. Even the free media can be twisted to allow "fairness", as we now see conservative radio shows being attacked by democrats, which could be upheld by judges, or ordered. Solid, constitutional constructive judges are necessary to ensure democracy. This can work both ways, as liberal ideas could also be stifled in a similar manner.

I think it is interesting that, today, conservative Christianity is assailed as being dangerous to peoples belief structures when this nation, whose laws and social development has been greatly affected by conservative Christians, has developed the most tolerant of all nations to peoples right to believe how they wish, even the right to go to Hell, and welcome all, no matter what they believe (as long as they come abiding by our laws). Yet, showing a Christian symbol is considered intolerant. Interesting enough, the concept of "separation of church and state" is activist judges interpretation of the Bill of Rights requirement banning of the nation from establishing a national religion, a right pushed by conservative Christians. "Separation of church and state" is not in the constitution.

[renrich]

Good post Dav, interesting and provocative!

[Erich]

yes agreed with you dav especially the last paragraph

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by davparlr

The most dangerous threat to American democracy, or any democracy, is activist judges who think they can interpret black and white constitutional laws in a manner to suit their own interest. Imagine, in the US, only five non-elected judges can takeaway all our cherished liberties by slanting the interpretation of the law. Guns can be removed by claiming right to carry arms meant only an authorized militia. Religion can be forced to changed or made illegal or lose their tax status because judges ruled certain "socially acceptable" activity or a teaching has to be accommodated. Even the free media can be twisted to allow "fairness", as we now see conservative radio shows being attacked by democrats, which could be upheld by judges, or ordered. Solid, constitutional constructive judges are necessary to ensure democracy. This can work both ways, as liberal ideas could also be stifled in a similar manner.

I think it is interesting that, today, conservative Christianity is assailed as being dangerous to peoples belief structures when this nation, whose laws and social development has been greatly affected by conservative Christians, has developed the most tolerant of all nations to peoples right to believe how they wish, even the right to go to Hell, and welcome all, no matter what they believe (as long as they come abiding by our laws). Yet, showing a Christian symbol is considered intolerant. Interesting enough, the concept of "separation of church and state" is activist judges interpretation of the Bill of Rights requirement banning of the nation from establishing a national religion, a right pushed by conservative Christians. "Separation of church and state" is not in the constitution.

Sadly - many Americans are fooled by the leftist press into believing that the Constitution actually contains the words "separation of Church and state." Groups like the ACLU have instilled fear in many public officials and unfortunately they would rather walk on eggshells and avoid the issue altogether rather than take a stand.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by mkloby

Sadly - many Americans are fooled by the leftist press into believing that the Constitution actually contains the words "separation of Church and state." Groups like the ACLU have instilled fear in many public officials and unfortunately they would rather walk on eggshells and avoid the issue altogether rather than take a stand.

Absolutely correct mkloby! The 1st amendment states...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Damn the ACLU!