South Africa

[Matt308]

You scare to easy Henk. Its an internet forum for God's sake.

[eddie_brunette]

Interesting read, thanks

[Henk]

Pleasure mate.

[lesofprimus]

I see u stole my thunder again Matt by using my Dave Chappell vs Godzilla avatar.....

Find ur own sh!t dammit....

[Emac44]

Henk I read and viewed your clips on Youtube and even that old Sun City Bullshit. I was interested by what is occuring in South Africa and related it to what is occuring in Papua New Guinea Port Moresby and up country from the capital. Issues of crime rape murders tribal rituals and other areas not related to the main media outlets due to Political Correctness. I knew there had been murders in South Africa but didn't realise the extent of who was being murdered and for what reasons. I knew that South Africa had spiralling crime rates in the cities of South Africa but again I was ignorant of farmers being murdered. Thank you for your videos

I have watched over the years in Zimbawae under Mugabe the pillage of farms in that country and had no idea it had crossed the borders into South Africa as well. But I well remember my father commenting on Mandela and the ANC. He said Mandela was nothing more than a murderous Communist and the ANC was just a front for Communism. He said further that the violence in South Africa would spiral out of control and corruption would be evident for years to come if the ANC ever gained control in South Africa. It appears he was quiet correct in his summation.

A railway mate of mine Keith settled in Australia having fled Zimbawae in the mid 1980s. He is former South Rhodesian Army. And he claims his nationality is Rhodesian. Keith has told me over a many a spare time at work what is occuring in Zimbawae and will continue for years to come. What we see in the mainstream media is crap and controlled by either Zimbawaen Media or South African Media respectfuly. Having studied many of the issues occuring in South Africa and Zimbawae I would have to agree with Keith. And now looking at what is occuring in Kenya and what has occured in Rwanda Angola Tanzia Uganda and a myrid of other African Countries doesn't leave a favourable impression on me of the capability of the Black Man in Africa being abled to govern in countries effectively and without further violence. I am thinking and I hope I am wrong that Civil War will ignite in Zimbawae and South Africa will be involved as well.

When years ago the Political Correct gave Mandela his Nobel Peace Prize I knew then how bizzare the Political Correct were incapable of moderate thought and political expediency. These were the same arseholes who gave Yasa Arafat a Nobel Peace Prize. I once had a very heated arguement with a Political Zealot about Aparthied in South Africa. This Political Zealot who favoured the ANC style of Government and or violence smuggly informed me that once the ANC gained control in South Africa that the Blacks in that country would have a utopian statehood without the interference of the White man. And this the Zealot claimed was the aim. All whilst this was going on whilst Inkarta Zulus in Soweto were being butched by ANC Members. I thought to myself how could a Black Utopian Society under the ANC exsist whilst Inkarta Zulus who are also Black be murdered on grounds of racial disharmony and tribal hatred by other Black men and women. As you could imagine it didn't make a terrible lot of sense to me. But then again nothing that comes out of the infantile minds of the Left Winged Political Correct Arseholes ever makes sense to me. Of course The Zealot referred to me as a bigot and a racist. And I wanted the Aparthied to continue etc. You know the usual rant and cant of the mindless Political Zealots when common sense debate is put before them and they dissemble quickly because they have no answer to reality. They want this perfect Utopian World. Unfortunately 1 it doesn't exsist and 2 people die due to it.

When I viewed the Rugby World Cup last year and saw the South Africans lift the World Cup in triumph I was pleased for the team and for the Country of South Africa in a sportsmanship in winning the series. But then Mandela had to show his mug on TV and realised that the ANC Government had politicized the match win. Henk put it this way as a people I like South Africans regardless of race religion or politic or even sports. As for this new APARTHIED ANC GOVERNMENT AND ITS POLITICS AND ITS COVER UP OF MURDERS RAPES AND CRIME IT LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED. You are probarly wondering why I called the ANC Government Aparthied in its approach. Because mate the tables had turned from it once being in control of the Afrikaan Government to that of a Utopian ANC Government ideals. The difference is that now White Farmers are being killed murdered and butched.

[Henk]

Emac44 I know what you mean and I understand it perfectly and thank you for your post mate.

The thing is now as a white person (me included) the ANC has turned Apartheid towards the white people of South Africa. My mom works for the government in the justice department and I see and know how everything is falling apart.

I really love my country, but I hate the "people" that makes it what it is today. My family did a lot for people in the history of this country and also fought for their freedom against the British forces that attacked the two Boer Republics.

I can not see myself leave South Africa and I will not let some one or anyone kill or threaten my family or myself by trying to wipe away my culture and my of living, I will fight and die for my GOD, my culture, my family and and like the Boer people said when they fought the British troops; "Vir volk en vaderland" (for my people and for my homland, to roughly translate it).

I fear that in the current state that we as white South Africans find our selfs is not that good. The ANC said if anyone try to stand in their why they will be dealt with, and it seems that conflict is coming in the future, but the thing is that the white people in South Africa stand divided and the last time they stood together fighting was during the Anglo Boer war.

My family was also one of the first to be kicked off their farm in Zimbabwe and lost everything there.

My family the Greeff's, are proud people and will not anyone take that away from them no matter what.

[Henk]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I see u stole my thunder again Matt by using my Dave Chappell vs Godzilla avatar.....

Find ur own sh!t dammit....

[Emac44]

Well Henk similar things are occuring in Papua New Giunea and have done for some time. In Port Moresby it is unsafe to venture out on the streets and security guards have had to be employed to protect homes from thieves and violent intruders. It gets beyond a joke when a golf courses have to employ security guards and erect security fences around the golf courses. But the further one goes out of Port Moresby into Tribal zones and the countryside interTribal Warfare still exsists. Virtually no law and order and corruption of Govt Officials is rife. Does that sound familiar to you Henk?

[Henk]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Well Henk similar things are occuring in Papua New Giunea and have done for some time. In Port Moresby it is unsafe to venture out on the streets and security guards have had to be employed to protect homes from thieves and violent intruders. It gets beyond a joke when a golf courses have to employ security guards and erect security fences around the golf courses. But the further one goes out of Port Moresby into Tribal zones and the countryside interTribal Warfare still exsists. Virtually no law and order and corruption of Govt Officials is rife. Does that sound familiar to you Henk?

Yes, a lot mate. We do not call it tribal wars here we call it down right being barbaric. No white person dares to go into the black areas during the night.

Our power is f*cked, everything is struggling because of it. The Government and Eskom (our power supplier) did nothing in earlier years to make sure that there will be enough power for the whole country and now they run around like idiots just telling us that we must pay more and except the fact that there are not enough power.

The thing is that cultures that the westerners gave them everything they now now actually just screwed up the whole evolution of peoples mind set and how they advance as time goes by and that is why they are behaving the way they are behaving today.

[Njaco]

I'm not well versed in these conflicts that Henk and Emac talk of but I've always wondered about if these people - with centuries of tribal laws and customs - cannot handle a democratic life or a democracy. I believe that is what happens - something akin to culture shock - societies are enamoured with the society of the US and its freedoms and when change comes, they can't handle it and revert back to familiar actions. I see it in Iraq, South Africa and others. Instead of a natural progression towards a democratic world, its thrust on them without understanding the roots and ideals of it and you get chaos.

Not to say that the US has it best (we wouldn't see stupid apology laws like here in New Jersey) but when government change is gradual and understanding of the culture, maybe strife wouldn't exist. Kind of like putting an ipod in a nursing home - most won't know what to do with it.

The speed of democracy always seems to have victims.

[Henk]

Democracy, well I do not see it. Apartheid said blacks can not do this and that, but everything worked like it should and everyone had work and food. Now that we have democracy it is downwards all way. Yes, everyone can vote, but now whites are being pushed out of everything. I had nothing to do with Apartheid, but why should I suffer?

The only country in Africa that has no problems is Botswana. They have law and order and they have no racism there. Their economy grows way better than South Africa and they way what they want when they want to, but they know when to keep their mouths shut.

The problem is that the Blacks of SA always got everything for almost free, but now when they must do it them selfs they can not do it and blame the white people for it. The gap between the white people in SA are way ahead of the black people in the sense that when the European people got here they did not have everything the whites had and when the whites gave it to them it was to much and thus the gap became a problem and that is why Africa is so messed up.

[Emac44]

Henk I would agree to that in some sense but I feel also it was from lack of education by the former Sth African Govts towards the Blacks as well. But I think also we Australians didn't school Papuans (PNG) much better either. However when it came to the English they mixed in nearly correct with India by employing Indians as Civil Servants Educating Indians in all levels of Government and putting in good Infrastructure like the Indian National Railways for example, (I would have mentioned Pakistan in this but so far Pakistan acts violently too often internally and externally). So not always Self Government or Self Rule by Native Peoples goes up the proverbial **** Shute. Even though India and Pakistan did have problems and still does have problems with border disputes and religious intolerance. Malaysia and Singapore are 2 other countries that have benefitted from independance from Great Britian even though both Malaysia and Singapore had teething problems earlier in their own Histories when Independance was eventually granted to both countries. But unfortunately and I may be overstepping this evaluation a bit, But it seems to me that Asians seem to handle the responsibility of Government better then their African Counterparts. Especially when Asians and Africans had been and still are members of the Commonwealth or former British Empire. However I am also well aware of various Asian and South Pacific Island Nations have had internal problems. But for the exception only. I know that Fiji has had Military Coups and Pakistan for example has had assasinations of political leaders and Military Juntas.

But its the Tribal Mentality I was referring to Henk that seems to bugger the whole process of Self Determination of Government in the African Nations. And as you well know its occuring again in Kenya. Same type of Mentality that occured in Rwanda Uganda Somalia Ethiopia Sudan Zimbawae Congo Liberia and a myrid of other African Nations. If you remember the old Rod Taylor movie Dark of the Sun (The Mercenaries) and when Rod Taylor killed the German Officer brutally towards the end of the film. The Native Corporal referred to Taylor as being full of Blackness in the way Taylor killed the German Officer. The Corporal said and I quote. We came from Blackness, We don't want to go back to Blackness. I am not being racist just quoting the line from the movie. But it strikes me that the Blackness and I am referring to it as a Tribal Mentality is apparent in African Nations too often. Even though these same African Nations are trying to cope with Self Government

[Henk]

I saw on youtube a reply on the old national anthem of South Africa that the current ANC government is too kind towards the white people in SA and they should kill all of the white people like the evil things they are.

The ANC said the other day that anyone that stands in their way they will crush them and will not stand for any such actions.

The other day a white kid shot blacks in a where they stay and they made it look like a racial thing, but he got so tromatised over all the farm killings that he went after the blacks that he think will kill him to, but most farm murders are being done by blacks.

They think that we as whites got everything and the white government just gave everything to the white people, that is bull you still had to work for everything you wanted and that is why they think it is right to steal from the white people, because they "get everything".

The sh*t will happen between here, it is just a matter of time and no one will hurt the ones I love or try to crush me for what I am and for what I stand, I will fight back even to the end, it is in me to resist, to fight and to die for my culture, my God and my family and loved ones. If you are white, black or from any other race, if you attack me or try to kill the ones I love I will fight you until I can not longer.

[lesofprimus]

Man, take care of ur family and urself Henk..... Its a dangerous world out there....

[Henk]

I will Les, but with the new gun laws the Gov place here it is impossible to get a gun these days even for protection. 10 Police firearms go missing every day in Gauteng every day! You can not shoot a criminal if you is in your house, you must first warn him and then shoot three warning shots.

Les to be straight with you the sh*t will hit the fan, but when it will happen is the question? The other day the Zuma only let in the black generalists into a meeting and what does that say about a so called "democratic country"?