South Africa

Gnomey · 12-27-2007, 06:14 PM

Well what is there to say. Politicians that seem to enjoy spending money on renaming towns to 'tribal' names rather than the current ones (Pretoria etc) than resurfacing roads and doing things more meaningful. Although no quite as corrupt as some African countries not doing anything about Mugabe is shocking when Mbeki has a fair amount of leverage with him (but South Africa is benefiting from the skilled labour influx from Zimbabwe - although at least they have admitted there is a problem - SA admits Zim refugee crisis: Africa: Zimbabwe: News24). The country could really go places if it had an efficient government which especially if Zuma gets the Presidency isn't going to happen. Then something might actually be done about the crime problems that are rife in the townships (particularly in Jo-burg)...

Zuma election 'a dismal day': South Africa: Politics: News24

Henk · 12-27-2007, 07:27 PM

The biggest problem in SA is the fact that there are so much racism and hatred towards each other and it is a open thing.

The government are employing people that do not have a clue of what they are doing and only because they are black.

People are killed just because of their skin color and farm murders are up where the farmers are killed and nothing is taken out of their homes. You will get stabbed just for R10 or even your mobile phone. My one friend got stabbed just for his mobile phone in the day time in the center of town a block from where I work on his way to his friends house.

Black people in SA are a very funny type of people. They live like nothing you have ever seen in your whole live. When they get a house they sell it or rent it and will still be living in their shacks. There are mostly those who complain that they do not have any work, but they do not do anything about it.

they burn down their own schools, break school property and their teachers do not even go to school to give classes. They do not like to live in town in normal neighborhoods, because the do not like the silence. They do not pay any power, water or tax if they live in the shacks, and they like it that way.

I saw this one clip where white people were demonstrating against the farm murders and withing 10 min the people were surrounded with the black people where they shouted to them we are waiting for the right time and other racial stuff.

The Police are so corrupt and worth nothing it is not even worth calling them when something is wrong you can just try and sort it out yourself and get a better result. They will speak to you like you are worth sh*t and will do anything in their power to get you down.

To be continued.

wilbur1 · 12-27-2007, 08:04 PM

Sorry to hear that Henk

FLYBOYJ · 12-27-2007, 08:14 PM

I was waiting for Henk to chime in on this.

When I was in Botswana I met a whole bunch of South Africans (white) who left. They had no regrets...

Njaco · 12-27-2007, 08:22 PM

If I said anything from what Henk posted comparing to the US, I probably would be labled a racist. Not worth it going there.

Henk · 12-27-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I was waiting for Henk to chime in on this.

When I was in Botswana I met a whole bunch of South Africans (white) who left. They had no regrets...

I LOVE Botswana, I wish I can go there, but I love my country and not the assholes that live in it. Botswana is the best African country to go and live in, they do not take any sh*t from no one. I love that.

Njaco it is the same here mate, but wtf man I am just telling the truth, I am not calling any names. Go and have a look on the net on farm murders in South Africa and the crime we have here.

I saw a police video where a white man and his family was killed in 1986 in a horrible murder by black people. The man was stabbed through his hands while he tried to stop the attackers and then stabbed to death. His wife was beaten in the face so that you can not she how she looked and then hung up the the store room out side the house with the children hung up with her. The kids were on their way to school when they were attacked, the little girl still had her school bag on her back and the kids were still in their school uniforms.

My dad was in the Police force and my mom still works at the Court here in my town and stuff she showed was bad.

Matt308 · 12-27-2007, 09:12 PM

Geez. Sorry Henk.

We have similar folks in the US (of all color, shades and nationalities). It is the total disrespect for decorum and civility that makes me mental.

But I don't attribute this to just black people...though I do assign a huge majority of blame upon them. Society here in the US is governed by single or no parent homes whom are run by people whose offspring are results of drunken experiences, as opposed to planned parenting. Too many US people want to have kids in name, but are not willing to assume the awesome responsibility of making life sacrifices to properly raise them.

Henk. The world is a wonderful place. Except for all the Aholes who live in it.

Henk · 12-27-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

Geez. Sorry Henk.

We have similar folks in the US (of all color, shades and nationalities). It is the total disrespect for decorum and civility that makes me mental.

But I don't attribute this to just black people...though I do assign a huge majority of blame upon them. Society here in the US is governed by single or no parent homes whom are run by people whose offspring are results of drunken experiences, as opposed to planned parenting. Too many US people want to have kids in name, but are not willing to assume the awesome responsibility of making life sacrifices to properly raise them.

Henk. The world is a wonderful place. Except for all the Aholes who live in it.

Yes, true mate. The US prisons are mostly full of black people and a study proved that it is not the fact that some them are poor, it is just natural. The problem here is that they never actually became like western people, they still want to kill and plunder and use the fact that they have nothing.

My dad told me in the Apartheid years the blacks told the police men, we will take you away from your family's and kill them when you are not there to help them. The blacks did not have any rights during apartheid, but the all had work, schools, food and money. What do they have today, they have rights, but nothing else. Their own people are pulling them down the drain and they will still vote for those assholes.

I can tell you this all, but you must live here to know how it is.

Matt308 · 12-27-2007, 09:27 PM

Sad. SA was a technologically progressive nation at one time. I don't think being black is a mark against an ability to acclimate into a civil society. Rather, I think that "overall" black society and leadership maintains a victim mentality that taints their ability to progress themselves via a collective block of voters for significant change. I work with may black friends who are exemplary of my own values. But it is the inability of them to quit pandering to politicians who make hollow promises and their "overall" lack of a cohesive family structure that keeps them as a group from moving forward.

Many may argue about racial inability or lack of skills, and I will not defend such silly statements. Nor will I defend claims of poverty and past whiteman digressions. Family structure and cohesiveness is key to any society's success. And I only want ALL American's to attain the US dream of making our children's lives better than our own. What more can we all ask for?

Henk · 12-27-2007, 09:50 PM

The ANC had a good idea in the start, but greed and power got to them and look where we are now. I must say if you look at many other black african countries you will see once they get the power they do not give a sh*t for the guy who got them there.

I know many great black people who did something with their lives and looked past the bull, but they are few and I must also say you get a lot of nasty white assholes here as well.

A black guy asked me for money the other day and I told him I do not have money for him and he stated a fight with me on how I am rich and how he is so poor have nothing, so I told him; listen i work hard for every cent I get and I do not have any of that money to give to you just to sit here and drink and beg and to be a thorn in the back side of the rest of the people. I worked for everything I own and if you maybe got of you lazy drunk ass you might get the same.

They think the white people got everything for free, the land, the food, the car, the money and so on and so on.

How can you think such sh*t and say that you are on the same level as the rest of the community, white or black?

Matt308 · 12-27-2007, 09:58 PM

I hear ya. But in America, that doesn't necessarily sound like a black person. Rather that sounds like a "homeless" bum who is playing the system like most all homeless people. Irrespective if color, race or creed. Bums are bums. They all are looking for a handout to feed their habits.

Henk · 12-27-2007, 10:04 PM

No, here if a white guys asks you for money and you tell him no, he understands it, but a black guy gets a attitude.

Njaco · 12-28-2007, 06:09 AM

Matt, you said it much better than I could have. Its not a racial thing, its cultural in the sense that this is the way they've (whoever) have been brought up. Myths and lies become their own personal truth and its everybody else who suffers.

I just hate when the leaders of these cultures rant about "power" and suffering and then forget that everybody is human and equal and that should be the starting point. Not that one race or people are keeping them down. They have no concept of what you do dictates your life.

Henk, I feel for you. Hope its gets better.

Gnomey · 12-28-2007, 08:35 AM

Yeah I hope it gets better too. One thing I picked up on when I was there was it seems that the whole process has come full circle. It was racist towards blacks and now it is mainly racist towards whites (mainly for apartheid). It many ways the country was better under apartheid than it is now...

FLYBOYJ · 12-28-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Henk

The blacks did not have any rights during apartheid, but the all had work, schools, food and money. What do they have today, they have rights, but nothing else. Their own people are pulling them down the drain and they will still vote for those assholes.

What's amazing is you try to explain that to people here and they think you are a racist. Black leaders from here don't understand that culturally they have nothing in common with South African blacks, but they have no problem meddling in their affairs.

I did work with the BDF. One of the guys I had to work with told me he used to laugh at Blacks from the US who would come to Botswana to "connect with their roots." He said he always felt he had nothing in common with them and just looked at them as "dumb tourists."