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Old 10-25-2006, 12:59 PM   #1
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Strike Mission: Iran

Theoretical -

The US decides to strike Iran. The UN resolution to wage war has been rejected. What is your mission planning and execution? Specifically, what is your strike package consist of? How would you accomplish your mission goals?

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* Objective - Maximum damage to Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons. Destroying ability to make nukes is most desired. However, significant delay in their ability is also an acceptable mission goal.
* Constraints - Nuclear weapons are not authorized. Civilian casualties must be minimized (except those directly involved in the objective). Isreali involvement must be avoided. Risk of loss of key US technology to Iran must be minimized. Risk of loss or capture of US personnel must be minimized.

Mission Intel:

* Targets - Iran has spread its manufacturing facilities amongst 10-20 critical sites (Lessons learned from Iraq nuke facility targeted by Isreal). Facilities located underground (some up to 65m). Virtually all facilities hardened and located mid-country. Ground forces are on high alert with significant assets to bear. Training is considered high.
* Significant Defenses - MiG-29, F-14 radar capability, S300 SAMs, limited surface-to-surface capability to disrupt shipping in Strait of Hormuz.

Okay mission planners. What ya got? And what is your guesstimate on whether it will work?
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Can't we just invade Iraq again and call it even?
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Nice one Matt. Are you working for the White House or what. Or maybe a certain think group for the Pres?

Do we get paid if we come up with the plan that White House uses?

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forget the US as Israel needs to get some pay back time in . . . . . and dang it why isn't my velodrome idea in the mideast getting noticed . . . geez what a waste of energies
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Awww c'mon guys. No takers?
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Awww c'mon guys. No takers?
Thats no small question you asked. Thats a damn hard one that even the Pres does not have an answer for I would bet.
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Alright. Nevermind Hunter.
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Alright. Nevermind Hunter.

But worry not you are talking to some of the world's greatest minds.


We will see what we can do.....or at least I will think about it and give you an answer. There are others here that could give well informed answers also, I think they might be thinking about it. No one wants to put down a half assed idea and get flamed for it.

I have thick skin so I will put down a idea when I get a chance.
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Actually this is a rare instance where a pre emptive nuclear strike on the specific enrichment facilities is justified. I would use the Pershing 2 penetrator warhead to implode underground.

I would in the case of nuclear or conventional attack limit the strike to nuclear facilities.

It clearly calls for a penetrator munition and some form of smart guidance. Is there a conventional penetrator warhead/delivery device capable ?

That huge mother Grass Cutter bomb used in Vietnam would be another choice however the delivery aircraft would be vulnerable to sams and Iranian fighters.

By the way do they have the Mig 29 now ?

A couple of B-2s just will not manage this with guided munitions. The plants are too big and nuclear munitions are the only appropriate response.
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Aunty Helen and her Green Party mates are going to wash your mouth out and spank your bottom for that.

We are supposed to be Nuke Free down here.
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Theoretical -

The US decides to strike Iran. The UN resolution to wage war has been rejected. What is your mission planning and execution? Specifically, what is your strike package consist of? How would you accomplish your mission goals?

Parameters:

* Objective - Maximum damage to Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons. Destroying ability to make nukes is most desired. However, significant delay in their ability is also an acceptable mission goal.
* Constraints - Nuclear weapons are not authorized. Civilian casualties must be minimized (except those directly involved in the objective). Isreali involvement must be avoided. Risk of loss of key US technology to Iran must be minimized. Risk of loss or capture of US personnel must be minimized.

Mission Intel:

* Targets - Iran has spread its manufacturing facilities amongst 10-20 critical sites (Lessons learned from Iraq nuke facility targeted by Isreal). Facilities located underground (some up to 65m). Virtually all facilities hardened and located mid-country. Ground forces are on high alert with significant assets to bear. Training is considered high.
* Significant Defenses - MiG-29, F-14 radar capability, S300 SAMs, limited surface-to-surface capability to disrupt shipping in Strait of Hormuz.

Okay mission planners. What ya got? And what is your guesstimate on whether it will work?

Lets start, like I said before I have thick skin but lets try to keep the burning to a minimuim vs my ideas. I will stick to your rules best I can but it would not be my first choice in doing things, the way you have it layed out but I will stay with your rules for this game. I will be only gray with the strike package b/c modern day is not my thing when it comes to arms, WW2 is.

1) **** UN

2) **** France even harder.

3) Recon sites and gather intell using best methods possable, RCV, Israel intell, satilights, high flying stealth jets. Should gather fairly good intell using all those ideas.

4) Cruise missile stikes vs all targets above ground. Airports, air bases, sam sites, head quarters for military (army and AF), communication HQ, TV and radio, nuclear sites all 10-20 of them, all radar sites and control sites.

5) Then comes in the stealth air attacks vs all above sites that have survived cruise missile attacks. Alternates between sites using stealth and cruise attacks until you have beaten down that air defence alot.

6) **** UN

7) **** France those pussies.

8 ) Send in the whole AF that is available, using stealth and normal jets to totally take out air defences and Iran's AF (what is left of it at this point).

9) Never let up with the cruise attacks on above mentioned sites. Keep them off guard.

10) Once Iran's air defences and AF is totally knocked out, then send in the AF with special munications to take out those under ground sites.

11) Recon all Iran at will to make sure you have missed nothing.

12) **** UN

13) **** those French bastards

14) Then make 100% sure you have taken out those under ground locations with second and third and fourth strikes.

15) Best way to keep Iran at bay is build a strong Iraqi with a USA friendly goverment in place, backed with USA aid to their military.

16) Keep Israel relaxed and informed to make sure they do not get involved.

17) Rally support best we can from middle east allies and asian allies.

18 ) Finally **** those UN / French bastards.


Weaknesses of above plan, it is not fast. Might take couple of weeks to take out all those key defences and sites. You have to keep the world that is against these strikes at bay with PR until you have taken care of business. Also you do not have a USA soldier standing on all of those sites to make sure they are taken out 110% sure.

Strenght of the plan, you don't have any soldiers on the ground getting killed. Very few losses in USA lives, no long term idea of staying in Iran. Bomb them and get out. Bonus you get to tell UN and France to go **** themselves.

Like I said I would I have stayed away from very detailed strike plans b/c I am no expert on modern weapons, that is better left for someone more qualified then me. But there would be my general plan.

PS **** you UN and France. You gutless, slack jawed, sloped foreheaded, ballless, coat tail riding, mother ****ing troglodytes!
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Only two solutions.

#1 Nukes

#2 Ground invasion

Anything else wont do it.
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Israel is already involved and has been for years. let them handle that little twirp

and get me MY VELODROME, NOW !
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Take out the government in an airstrike on the parliament buildings at mid-afternoon start-work again time (culture check needed here) and get out immediately.
Then turn the Sunni Iraqis on them; with any luck, it'd keep the lot of them busy for the next ten years at least.

BTW, Hunter, please avoid nuking France - not everybody here is French, and I don't want to be collateraled!
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Take out the government in an airstrike on the parliament buildings at mid-afternoon start-work again time (culture check needed here) and get out immediately.
Then turn the Sunni Iraqis on them; with any luck, it'd keep the lot of them busy for the next ten years at least.

That is a very interesting idea.

Invasion or bombing will be a world class *****. No two ways about it. Nobody wants to bother and there is no upside (outside of ending the nuke threat). Given the intel gaps that occur in every operation, bombing is a loser. Just tick them off, maybe slow them down. Invasion is just a loser. If Iraq is a long fight, that would be 10x worse.

But blowing away everybody in a power position would be easier to do. Still, you'll miss a few. Given the luck that we have with bombing, it would be the nutjob president and his strongest backers.

The original post was a good question but the answer is, at best, impossible and at worst, a nightmare.
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