Terrorist Profiling...

Njaco · 07-02-2007, 06:57 PM

Then that is another area you need to beef up and proffesionalize. Its an area I truly understand. I work in Animal Control. For years we were "Dog Catchers". But over time it has developed into a quasi-law enforcement career. I'm been through Health department training, the Police Academy twice, etc. Now we're a part of EM and at one point were going in for SWAT to be with entry teams for those bad guys with vicious dogs. Its changed for the good.

Same must be done for the airport screeners and such. As much as I'm a conservative I thought leasing the ports to Dubai was a no-no on Bush's part. You must educate and proffesionalize the jobs whose duty is to protect these ports of entry and have someone with the balls to tell Michael, Al, Hillary and the lot to shut up when an ME immigrant or anyone who could be a threat is detained longer than usual.

Emac44 · 07-22-2007, 10:24 PM

I have travelled through Asia frquently. Every one gets screened as best as possible. And yes its an inconvience but I would rather the inconvience than a bomb going off on an aircraft. Are religious differences taken into account. I believe yes it is. And also remember in Asia you have Asian Muslims between 17 to 40 years of age whom could be Islamic Fundamentalists but then you could have Tamils or Sihks or any religious extreme organisation members. Are they profiled. I would say yes they are. But as for screening at airports and entry areas is treated the same way as far as I have observed. I found the best way to avoid any problems at the airports was just to wait your turn be screened put up with it and be pleasant to security staff police officers and military doing the screening. Me thinks Lefties have a problem when it comes to common sense any way. As Adler has pointed out. If profiling is used in Criminal detection or law enforcement in criminal laws such as profiling serial killers and no one objects to that as I understand it. Can't see the difference in profiling in other areas

Maestro · 07-23-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Glider

I think you can add to your posting:-

Currently, the attempted bombers in the UK targeting nightclubs, airports etc are either. (a) Noise abatement protesters (b) Greenpeace protesters (c) Late night shoppers (d) Overseas Islamist fanatics between the ages of 17 and 40.

Had to take out male as they have arrested a female as well

Yeah, now both sexes are commiting terrorist attacks. I remember a few years ago, they showed on the news a video tape of two female Palestinian kamikazes who attacked Israel public places.

It only prove that Islamists are getting smarter... Why blow themselves up when they can use women instead ? After all, aren't women considered a second-class life form by Islamists ? Right between the dog and the sheep ?

Emac44 · 07-23-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

Yeah, now both sexes are commiting terrorist attacks. I remember a few years ago, they showed on the news a video tape of two female Palestinian kamikazes who attacked Israel public places.

It only prove that Islamists are getting smarter... Why blow themselves up when they can use women instead ? After all, aren't women considered a second-class life form by Islamists ? Right between the dog and the sheep ?

Is that why islamic Men are confused. they like things with four legs not 2

Njaco · 07-23-2007, 09:42 AM

You gotta be careful using that word "sheep". I noticed on other threads it exposes some people!

Emac44 · 08-06-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

You gotta be careful using that word "sheep". I noticed on other threads it exposes some people!

Only if you come from New Zealand Njaco. And boy am I going to cop it from the Kiwis in this forum

majorwoody10 · 10-10-2007, 12:58 AM

we should not profile muslim looking fellows unless we think most terrorists are likely to be muslims ..but wait ,most terrorists lately are kinda arabic looking arent they ...well we wouldnt want to hurt anyones feelings so lets keep searching retired schoolmarms from iowa and nordic looking backpackers from europe, sure ,that makes sense ...

Njaco · 10-10-2007, 03:51 PM

Its the two things missing with the government and the liberals - rational thought and logic.

I'm sure if 9/11 was carried out by Swedish terrorists we'd be stopping every blonde haired, blue eyed mook at the borders. (No afront to those from Sweden- just pulled a country outta my head...arse...somewhere.)

comiso90 · 10-10-2007, 04:59 PM

majorwoody10 · 10-10-2007, 09:13 PM

sure ..older sheep are kinda dumpy an plain an all ..but at least their not so damn fast ...

Hop · 10-13-2007, 06:02 AM

The problem with the list of terrorist offences committed by Muslims is it's a very selective list. For an example, here's a list from a British perspective:

In 1972, 22 bombs were set off in Belfast in one day, killing 10 people, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1972, a small village in Northern Ireland was bombed, killing 9 people, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1974, 21 people were killed by bombs placed in pubs in Birmingham, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1976, 10 civilians were taken off a bus, lined up at the side of the road, and shot, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1978, a restaurant was firebombed with home made napalm, killing 12 diners, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1982, a Household Cavalry band was bombed in London, killing 11 people, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1982 17 people were killed when a bar was blown up by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1983 6 people were killed by a bomb outside Harrods in London in the run up to Christmas, planted by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1984 the Conservative party conference in Brighton was bombed, killing 5 people, by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1987 11 people were killed by a bomb at a remembrance day parade, planted by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1990 2 Australian tourists were shot dead in the Netherlands by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

In 1998 28 people were killed by a car bomb in Omagh, planted by: (a) A disabled Rabbi (b) Christians on their way to the Holy Land (c) A retired group of tourists (d) Irish catholics

That's just a small subset of attacks, of course. Now, should Britain profile Irish catholics? How do you think the US congress would have reacted to that?

And there's another point the list misses. If you look at Israel's experience, many of the suicide bombings carried out against it in Lebanon were by women, not men, and most were not by Islamic groups but by Marxist ones. Also, one of the biggest terrorist attacks ever in Israel, the Lod airport massacre, was carried out by 3 Japanese Marxists. They got through airport security very easily, because they didn't fit the profile they were looking for.

That's the big danger of profiling, and it's even more the case in the west, where Al Qaeda has attracted Europeans, Africans, Arabs and Indians/Pakistanis to its banner.

Just look at some of the Al Qaeda terrorists currently in prison in the US:

Richard Reed. Half white, half Jamaican
Jose Padilla. Latino
John Walker Lindh. White

What about the perpetrators of the second worst terrorist attack in America. Would Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols have been the focus of profiling?

The problem with looking for someone who fits a profile is you pay less attention to those who do not.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-13-2007, 06:16 AM

Still the majority of terrorist attacks conducted today against the west are by Islamic fanatics and happen to be Muslims. I cant say I disagree with profiling.

Njaco · 10-13-2007, 06:27 AM

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The problem with looking for someone who fits a profile is you pay less attention to those who do not

I agree except... either the extremists are too dumb or too smart because this country steps all over itself when it comes to minorities that it doesn't matter. Are they smart enough to realize the ACLU will attack anyone who profiles which leaves screeners alittle hesitatnt?

Of course they could be too dumb to see this and go blindly on for Allah.

majorwoody10 · 10-14-2007, 02:17 AM

hey ...did you hear about the two gay irish terrorists , patrick fitzgerald and gerald fitzpatrick ...anyway ,yes in the uk in the seventies it would have made sense to profile irish catolic men age 22 to 45 (gay or not ) nowadays in the usa and even prolly the uk it makes more sense to profile muslim men 22 to 45 ....the odd reeds and padillas might slip through the net . profileing is not expected to be foolproof ...but not profileing is certainly FOOLish ...

Konigstiger205 · 10-14-2007, 03:01 AM

Adler that was a very very long list but true...