Is there a double standard in the Middle East?

Delusional · 04-15-2006, 10:27 PM

Of course I didn't mean that they actually went in with troops and took the land. It was an analogy. It's the money and the support. Financing Israel's military versus sanctioning the Palestinians. The Israelis fight with the world's support and U.S. and U.N. money. The Palestinians fight with whatever they can create in their basements.

Erich · 04-15-2006, 10:55 PM

where was the help from the US in 1948 when Israel declared independance from the Muslim nations, especially help from Saudi Arabia ? there wasn't any. Even today there is actually scant funds given to Israel as she has the manned forces plus the technology as proven in hand arms and tanks, missiles and launchers, etc.

The Palestinians on the other hand with the terrorist Arafat in control had access to millions of dollars, some given under the table by the US and UK besdies the hordes of funds given by surrounding mid-east(Muslim) nations, all in the name of Allah. you are perfectly aware that Arafats death the man was worth well over 10 million dollars rapped up in a Swiss bank accts ? Is it a wonder is wife wanted to give cause of death and take her familie out of Israel and off to places unknown to let the Fatah and other parties sit on the fingers trying to figure out what to do without associated funds on the bargaining table. You see it now in the recent elections with hammas trying to gain control, it is like a giant with it's head cut-off; no reason to support or represent the Palestian peoples but to observe rank and the power of land, and this is all they are concerned about with the destruction of Israel as a whole. Beside the point byut all Muslim nations want Israel besieged and wiped off the map

FLYBOYJ · 04-15-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

Of course I didn't mean that they actually went in with troops and took the land. It was an analogy. It's the money and the support. Financing Israel's military versus sanctioning the Palestinians. The Israelis fight with the world's support and U.S. and U.N. money. The Palestinians fight with whatever they can create in their basements.

Israel received aid from many sources, but it not even close to what you think, do your homework! - for the most part they BOUGHT most of their equipment PERIOD!!!

The money spent by the Palestinians financed by Arab oil to fight against the Jewish state could of been better used to help their own people, but when you're induced by continual ignorance and hate (as a result of their clerics) you continue to show stupidity as they do. Even now as they are on the brink of attaining a homeland, they continue their ignorant perpetuation of violence....

Delusional · 04-15-2006, 11:11 PM

Perhaps the monetary support from the U.S. is waning, but it's been there for a long time. And it's amounted to a lot of money over the years. Besides, now we are taking care of some of their enemies in the Middle East for them (not saying that is why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan).

The Palestinians receive under-the-table money from particular groups/people in the U.S and the U.K. This is not the same as having the undying support of several important and influential governments and international organizations. Arafat was obviously more concerned with his own comfortable standard of living than with assisting his people in achieving their goals. That money was wasted.

And of course all Muslim nations want Israel wiped off of the map. And for good reason, too, in my opinion.

Erich · 04-15-2006, 11:28 PM

ah but it is not the Phillistines land young one ! your last comment says it all to me that you really do not have a true grasp of what has happened in the land for hundreds of years, but you are not the only one here that feels the way you do

you better ask your professors but they really don't have any clue either.........

Russia and China both have had intersts in the mid-east as the land of Israel is the driving hub there. Look in approximation where Jerusalem is in association with Moscow. Besides oil, and archaeological interests both huge monopolies know full well the land is of power, and both have wanted it secretly China more so that the former Russia broken up but yet still very strong and active. France fully supports the rabble in the mideast under the shadow protection of the UN. Israel dumped the UN many many years ago with Israels facet of non-working with outside mideast nations again knowning full well that could easily help spell her doom.

simple answer for you, I've worked with both sides to no avail. The area is mind-knumbing and I would suggest if you ever get a chance go visit for a very long time and eat, breathe the land and the people, it will open your mind probably like nothing else you will ever experience. the area is ugly as pbfoot can attest but the beauty is inner and it is looked upon as homeland for both peoples who want to bash each others brains out at first whim.

Delusional · 04-15-2006, 11:41 PM

Yeah, I'm taught by Americans...in America...enough said, eh, Erich? Lol.

I can't say that I ever want to visit the area, considering I value my life, but I understand that I cannot grasp the issue as fully as someone who has been there (like you) can.

And considering I care little about the theological beauty of the area...I'd probably just see its ugliness.

Erich · 04-15-2006, 11:48 PM

in my opinion I would suggest going to a private school and if not that then a saving of your monies and visit the world and let it be your educator. 9/10ths of the professors should be shot including the ones teaching in my home town.

Allow the mideast an open reign if you would whether it is "biblical" which you do not seek but look at it's rich history and since you like to read and are interested in theater, and music then why not ? The area is incredibly diversified, as I mentioned I would go back in a second if it were not under duty.

funny my uncle whom worked with both sides while being a professor at Tantur universtiry for 12 years including his lovely bride which taught Aramic never felt for one second that their lives were in danger.........odd. My father was over there on sybatocal for 9 months walked the old roads talked with both Jews/Palestinians. Felt very secure. the ones that don't, wear a uniform or a towel/bandana to cover their faces

Delusional · 04-15-2006, 11:58 PM

Well, my family couldn't afford private school for high school. We lived below the poverty line for 6 years of my life...

I'm going to college this fall, and hopefully I'll be able to go to the private school that I want to go to because of the scholarships that I have received from them. As long as they are flexible as far as payment plans...

I would like to go into the military some day, as well, but I'd like to go to college first. I expect that I would learn much in the military. I come from an Air Force family.

Erich · 04-16-2006, 12:04 AM

that is noble but will be real frank right now..............consider not applying for the military. I may get a chiding from some of the moderators here, but think it through first. the world is changing faster than one thinks and there is going to be an awakening in the mideast

Delusional · 04-16-2006, 12:11 AM

I'm shocked! Well, if things change that bad, perhaps they will draft women anyway...

I'll think it through. I've got at least four years before I would do it anyway.

Thanks for the advice, oh mighty Erich!

lesofprimus · 04-16-2006, 12:18 AM

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The Israelis fight with the world's support.

The Worlds support???? Last time I checked, there were 2 Billion Muslims and Islamics wanting every Jew stoned, burned and eradicated....

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And of course all Muslim nations want Israel wiped off of the map. And for good reason, too, in my opinion.

So u agree with the Muslims then, and wish that all Jews be removed from the face of the Earth???

Delusional · 04-16-2006, 12:24 AM

No, I do not agree with the Muslims. I simply think that they have a good reason for their grudge. I don't share that reason, because I'm not Muslim or Arabic, but I can understand their point of view.

evangilder · 04-16-2006, 11:22 AM

You have a lot of contradictions. First, the Palestinians "deserve the land" because they fought for it? Then you say

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Land does not belong to whoever attaches the most spiritual and sentimental value to it. Land belongs to whoever can take it and keep it by force.

Well, the Israelis have been keeping it, by force when necessary, so I guess they DO deserve the land, using your logic...

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And of course all Muslim nations want Israel wiped off of the map. And for good reason, too, in my opinion.

For good reason? What good reason is there for wiping an entire people off the map?? That is called genocide, sister. Are you going to go fight with the Palestinians?? You called Les racist in the immigration thread and then you spout this?

Delusional · 04-16-2006, 01:57 PM

Yes, the Israelis have defended the land, but with an unfair advantage given to them by nations such as the U.S.

I didn't say there was a good reason for genocide. I said they had a good reason for holding a grudge. That doesn't mean I agree with their actions in response to that grudge. And no, I do not desire to fight with the Palestinians. And I only said Les was coming off as a racist, not that he actually was one...

evangilder · 04-16-2006, 02:16 PM

Oh, I see, you want a fair fight? No such thing. Palestine never existed as a country, only a region. And who are the Palestinians? They are people from parts of the Middle East including Jordan and Syria. But do those countries offer any land to the Palestinians? What about ethnic Kurds in Turkey and Iraq? The only reason they concentrate on Israelis and Palestinians is because it is politically expedient. There are many displaced Arab peoples without a homeland, but everything wrong is Israel to these guys. Another problem is that is the only one they talk about. Too many people know too little about the history in that region of the world.