US politicians honor ISLAM

evangilder · 10-05-2007, 10:02 PM

WTF?!?!?!

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Political Correctness On Display In Washington
As U.S. House Passes First-Ever Resolution
Honoring Islam and Ramadan

An Important Message from Brigitte Gabriel

Dear Gary,

For the first time ever, the U.S. House of Representatives, on a 376 – 0 vote, passed a resolution honoring the Islamic holiday Ramadan and commending Muslims for their faith.

Congressman Tom Tancredo, one of 42 voting “present,” in a press release after the vote cited the resolution as "an example of the degree to which political correctness has captured the political and media elite" in America. He further stated: “I am not opposed to commending any religion for their faith. The problem is that any attempt to do so for Jews or Christians is immediately condemned as ’breaching’ the non-existent line between Church and State by the same elite.”

Congressman Scott Garrett commented that in his five years in Congress he could not remember a resolution honoring Christmas or Easter. As of this morning, a search by the ACT for America staff had not uncovered any resolution in the past 20 years honoring a Jewish holiday.

Other Members of Congress expressed being “troubled” by the resolution. Yet it passed without a single “no” vote. Why? And why the special treatment of an Islamic holiday?

Because politically correct treatment of Islam is growing, and the pressures in Washington to knuckle under to this political correctness have become extremely intense. I heard this loud and clear from Members of Congress when I spoke on Capitol Hill on September 10th. We know there are Members up there who are deeply concerned, and deeply troubled, by the growing and glowing affirmation of Islam, given Islam’s past and current history of violence, brutality, terrorism and intolerance. These congressmen and women need to know that there are millions of Americans who share their concerns. These congressmen and women need to know that there are millions of Americans who understand that Islam, especially militant Islam, has not been a religion of peace, and is, in fact, the major threat to peace and liberty in the world today.

This is why building ACT for America’s citizen action network is so immensely important. That’s why we need the help of every concerned citizen. As we build our chapter network, as we add tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands, then millions of concerned Americans to this grassroots network, elected officials everywhere will know that there is another voice in this great country, a voice of the people who will not be intimidated by, nor bow to, political correctness. Our allies in the Congress and the state legislatures will know it. So will those who put their finger in the wind to determine which way they vote!

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ACTION ITEM #1: I’m asking everyone reading this to get involved in the ACT for America chapter network by clicking here.

ACTION ITEM #2: Then, forward this email to every person you know and urge them to join us.

ACTION ITEM #3: And finally, Contact your Member of Congress about this resolution and let him/her know how you feel about their vote. While you’re at it, please ask them:

Will you offer a congressional resolution calling on American Muslim Imams to issue fatwas against Hamas, Al-Qaida, Hezbollah and the rest of the barbaric organizations killing innocent people in the name of Islam?

Will you offer a congressional resolution calling for the closing of the mosques and Islamic organizations in America that teach children that Christians and Jews are apes and pigs…that teach children to hate for Allah’s sake...that teach children it is the religious duty of every Muslim to overthrow America’s constitutional government and replace it with Islamic government under sharia law...that teach children that in order to fulfill the sacred obligation of Jihad they must invade the Western heartland and struggle to overcome it until all the world shouts by the name of the prophet Mohammad?

Will you offer a congressional resolution calling for the closure of Islamic paramilitary camps that exist on American soil, compounds where militants are being trained in the tactics of armed Jihad?

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DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-06-2007, 03:37 AM

WTF!!!!

As the guy stated I too dont have a problem commending anyone's religion. Everyone is entitled to there own but this is ****** up!!!!

If we tried to pass a law commending Christianity it would be shot down and the ACLU would have a field day!

Utter Bull Shite!!!

Civettone · 10-06-2007, 11:47 AM

I agree that this vote to commend Islam was exaggerated and a result of political correctness.

But does it hurt anybody? It's a symbol that the USA is tolerant towards Islam, which is nothing but a good thing.

But then you have retards claiming stuff like

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Islam, especially militant Islam, has not been a religion of peace, and is, in fact, the major threat to peace and liberty in the world today.

So not just militant Islam but also the moderate Islam is the major threat to peace and liberty in the world.

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Will you offer a congressional resolution calling on American Muslim Imams to issue fatwas against Hamas, Al-Qaida, Hezbollah and the rest of the barbaric organizations killing innocent people in the name of Islam?

There are several fatwas against these organisations. However most people apparently don't have a clue what a fatwa means.

And then the guy goes on and on about these organisations but fails to make the connection with Islam. So what do these fundamentalists have to do with Islam? They misuse Islam by claiming their religion tells them they have a right to kill christians and destroy the western civilization. So by all means, do something to commend Islam instead of giving in to these people who make Islam into something it's not. Isn't that a great idea? If the muslim community hears that the US Congress, the representatives of the American people actually commend Islam, how can they still trust these extremists claiming that the west is their enemy?

So you might reconsider writing to your Member of Congress and making things worst then they already are?
Kris

evangilder · 10-06-2007, 12:44 PM

Did we need a law to recognize Islam, or honoring their holiday and commending their faith? HELL NO! We have schools removing anything to do with Christmas or any secular thing, including Halloween! Yet we have our own House of Representatives honoring Islam? If they did that same thing with Christianity or Judaism, people would be screaming about separation of church and state.

So while the ACLU and other nuts do everything to remove any form of religious ceremony, symbols or even public prayer, our representative government is honoring Islam. You don't see the harm in this? You don't see the DANGER in this?

Islam is a danger to this country, and any other free nation. Why? Because while the militant and aggressive forms want nothing more than to eliminate all the non-believers, most moderates sit quietly and say nothing! There are training camps for Muslim terrorists in the USA! When people of that faith turn a blind eye and say nothing, they are in fact an accessory to what is happening.

When the majority of Muslims speak out, and loudly, decrying the radicals and stating that the radicals don't speak for them, then maybe we could have a small modicum of trust. Until then, look at the last few years of terrorist activity and look at who perpetrated it.

Civettone · 10-06-2007, 03:18 PM

You're mixing things up here. If there is a force removing religious symbols from public buildings, it is unrelated with the Congress honoring Islam. What you are implying is that Christianity is being oppressed while Islam is being favored. I think this is exaggerated and a result of blind fear for the unknown.

Also you claim that Islam itself is a danger to your country because most of its believers say nothing against fundamentalists. However, that in itself does not mean that Islam itself is the problem, but the people who believe it. What is more, is that you are wrong in your assessment of the muslim community. The vast majority is openly opposed to fundamentalists but they don't go out on the streets every day just so you could see it when you watch CNN (I suppose Fox would never broadcast it...). In one of my previous posts I gave a link of muslim organisations which condemned the 9/11 attacks, and that was an impressive number. What you also should know is that the Islam community is not a hierarchical system like in Christianity. Basically, every imam has the right to teach his own interpretation of Islam. It is something which also used to be the case in christianity but then they started burning everyone who said anything else than what the church leaders taught. Because of this 'freedom' in the muslim world there are less channels to disapprove of more extreme interpretations of islam. Those who are entitled to do this are the Koran scholars and they make it rather clear in their fatwas. Take a look at websites like fatwa-online or fatwabank and you'll see that there is not much discussion amongst them: fundamendalists believe in a wrong interpretation.
To me christianity in the US is rather similar when I look at mormons, Jehova witnesses and more extreme groups like those of Waco. They also misuse real christianity but do you see many christians going to the streets and protesting against the Branch Davidians?
(Of course I know that mormons or Jehova witnesses don't go around killing infidels but they are extremist sects.)

Kris

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-06-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Civettone

You're mixing things up here. If there is a force removing religious symbols from public buildings, it is unrelated with the Congress honoring Islam.

No there you are wrong. They are completely related. Why? Because it is congress that is not allowing Christian things to be allowed in Schools and Public Places. Yet Congress commends Islam?

How is that not related?

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What you are implying is that Christianity is being oppressed while Islam is being favored. I think this is exaggerated and a result of blind fear for the unknown.

Have you been to the United States recently? Obviously not because that is what is happening.

It is not really that Islam is being favored though. It is more of the fact that Congress being influenced by groups such as the ACLU want everything to be politicaly correct and dont want to offend anyone. Except the Christians, "Who cares about the Christians, they will get over it, we have to make everyone else happy so they will like us and most importantly so we dont get sued!"

In doing so they are discriminating against Christians and Jews and people other Christian faiths.

In the United States at the moment if you put a Christmas Tree up in an Airport (in the last few years LAX was threatened to be sued for having Christmas Trees in the Airport), you get sued.

You can not have Christian Prayers in most Schools.

The 10 Commandments are removed from Court Houses.

Do I have to go on and list a million other things that are Christian or Jewish and are not now banned, yet Muslim things are tolerated?

I believe in Freedom of Religion but it should be for everyone and no sides should be taken. HOwever the United States was formed on Christian values. We should not have to change for anyone.

I however dont believe that Muslims are the most dangerous thing to America. The ACLU is...

evangilder · 10-06-2007, 04:36 PM

Blind fear of the unknown??? You have no idea what you are talking about. I HAVE BEEN to the middle east on numerous occasions. I have seen the way these people operate. What our house of representatives just did was display a huge WEAKNESS in the eyes of middle-easterners.

Being touchy feely with this kind of enemy is what gets people killed, plain and simple.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-06-2007, 04:42 PM

Eric didn't they stop issuing Christmas stamps one year and issued a Ramadan instead? Not sure about this though.

Nonskimmer · 10-06-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Eric didn't they stop issuing Christmas stamps one year and issued a Ramadan instead? Not sure about this though.

I think that was only last year, wasn't it?

What a complete croque of utter sh*t. Stand up Christians, for f*ck's sake!

...And I'm not even the religious type.

Civettone · 10-06-2007, 09:53 PM

Adler, you might have been right if these christian symbols were being replaced by muslim ones. As such they are not related. In fact, what they are doing is making the US a secular state (about time too IMHO) which means that there is room for all religions just as long as they keep it on a private level. So, removing christian symbols from public places.
If Congress is honoring Islam then that does not mean it's benefitting one religion towards another.

So please do tell me what those million other things are that muslims are allowed and what christians or jews are forbidden to do??

And can you give me a link to that LAX incident please ?
Because I did find one article about an airport being sued for its christmas tree. Is Christmas Being Sued Away? Christmas Trees at SEA-TAC Airport Removed | Scared Monkeys But guess who was behind it? A local rabbi. But well ... the USA are build on judeo-christian values, so I guess that makes it ok...
Kris

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-07-2007, 02:48 AM

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Adler, you might have been right if these christian symbols were being replaced by muslim ones. As such they are not related. In fact, what they are doing is making the US a secular state (about time too IMHO) which means that there is room for all religions just as long as they keep it on a private level. So, removing christian symbols from public places.
If Congress is honoring Islam then that does not mean it's benefitting one religion towards another.

No you dont understand. In the United States it is no longer to practice Christianity in public or official places but it is okay for minorities. Why is that? Because they dont want to offend them. It is bullshit!

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So please do tell me what those million other things are that muslims are allowed and what christians or jews are forbidden to do??

Ofcourse those Million things was an exageration. Dont read to much into it.

But oh yeah you know more about what is going on in the United States than us Americans do. Sorry I forgot...

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And can you give me a link to that LAX incident please ?
Because I did find one article about an airport being sued for its christmas tree. Is Christmas Being Sued Away? Christmas Trees at SEA-TAC Airport Removed | Scared Monkeys But guess who was behind it? A local rabbi. But well ... the USA are build on judeo-christian values, so I guess that makes it ok...
Kris

I dont have a link for it. It was in the American Newspaper that they print over here in Europe for us Americans that work over here.

evangilder · 10-07-2007, 07:34 AM

The point is, all things that even resemble religious symbols or symbology are being systematically removed, including our own pledge of allegiance being challenged. Now, our own government, that has allowed, or even sanctioned some of this activity is honoring Islam. So it's okay that they remove all items that could even be remotely religious, but make it okay for Muslims????

Do you have any idea how this got viewed in the middle east? I do. It looks like the American politicians became severe pussies. "Don't hurt me, I support you" is what it looks like. WEAKNESS.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-07-2007, 07:36 AM

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The point is, all things that even resemble religious symbols or symbology are being systematically removed, including our own pledge of allegiance being challenged. Now, our own government, that has allowed, or even sanctioned some of this activity is honoring Islam. So it's okay that they remove all items that could even be remotely religious, but make it okay for Muslims????

Exactly. Thankyou Eric. I guess being American and living there, we can actually understand this.

Civettone · 10-07-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Ofcourse those Million things was an exageration. Dont read to much into it

Just name one then...

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But oh yeah you know more about what is going on in the United States than us Americans do. Sorry I forgot...

That's a bit of a weak argument if I may so. I'm not an American so I should just say you're right when it comes to discussions about the US? I haven't served in Iraq like you so I should just nod my head every time you come up with your statements based "I've been there, I know what it's like". I mean, I have been to Italy this last half year, you won't see me claiming I know Italy...

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In the United States it is no longer to practice Christianity in public or official places but it is okay for minorities.

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So it's okay that they remove all items that could even be remotely religious, but make it okay for Muslims????

But where do you get this from?

Adler, who says it is okay for minorities to practice their religion in public of official places?

Evangilder, who says Muslims can have those religious items in the same places where Christians have to remove theirs?

You guys are jumping to conclusions by mixing up a couple of things.
Kris

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-07-2007, 08:06 AM

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Just name one then...

Im not going to play your game. I allready said it was an exageration based off of my frustration.

You will get over it...

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That's a bit of a weak argument if I may so. I'm not an American so I should just say you're right when it comes to discussions about the US? I haven't served in Iraq like you so I should just nod my head every time you come up with your statements based "I've been there, I know what it's like". I mean, I have been to Italy this last half year, you won't see me claiming I know Italy...

No its not Civettone. You like to argue with people who live in the United States about what it is like there and what is going on. Im sorry but Eric even has a better feel of what is going on than I do because he is currently living there. I only spend about 4 weeks a year in the United States right now. Yet you tell Eric he is misguided and afraid of the unknown. He is fricken there man!!!!

I would never dream of telling you what it is like in your country. Why? Because I dont live there. I have been to Belgium many times but that does not make me an expert on your country. So why do you think you are more intune on to what is happening in the United States than a person who lives there?

Im not even going to get started on the Iraq Issue. That has nothing to do with this thread so dont bring it up...

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You guys are jumping to conclusions by mixing up a couple of things.
Kris

How is that?