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07-08-2007, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco  Agreed, Tough, only I would clarify that by assimilate is not to mean give up your culture or religion (unless its dangerous to the country) but have respect for the customs of the country you reside. | With you all the way. 
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07-08-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot OK forget felons but because a person can't read or speak the language is bull
My maternal grandparents came from central Europe with an Austo Hungarian passport . They moved to an area where most folk came from the same regionof europe and they busted sod lived in sod house made a prosperous farm sent 6 kids to war and school but because they didn't speak english your not going to let them vote | I am not sure exactly how the laws in Canada work - but just entering the US legally does not entitle you to vote. If a child goes off to war for the US, the parents are not able to vote. Hell, that child, if not a citizen, will not be able to vote.
I personally don't believe that you should have to proof English literacy in order to vote. However, the state sure as hell shouldn't allocate resources to accomodate non-English speaking individuals in the US. That sort of accomodation only wastes taxpayer money, and takes away the impetus for non-English speaking peoples to even become fluent in English.
Case point - in Jersey ESL (English as a Second Language) education is very common. Even in college (which was a state school), there were many individuals (mostly of various hispanic origin) that still had not become fluent in English and could not take classes with the rest of the population. Why are tax dollars going to fund such programs?
Consider this: Arizona spends approximately 2 billion dollars a year educating non-English speaking students in the public school system. This figure is based upon 225,000 non-English speaking students at an average rate of $8,500 per head. I couldn't find if the 8,500 figure was adjusted for the additional costs of educating non-English speaking students in their native tongue.
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07-08-2007, 01:29 PM
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#168 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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07-08-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Bottom line, if you're not a citizen, you don't vote its that simple. | Too easy , if your a citizen you can vote . Not that I agree with it but I try not to let my personal feelings get in the way of common sense
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07-08-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Too easy , if your a citizen you can vote . Not that I agree with it but I try not to let my personal feelings get in the way of common sense | Great! The next time you guys have an election I'm coming up there and voting "Rhino Party." 
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07-08-2007, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Felons shouldnt vote because they are not citizens in good standing.
And saying that non citizens not being allowed to vote is discriminatory is a bizarre to say the least.
However, requiring people to vote in English is not discriminatory as its in the states interest to have everyone understanding the same ballot(s)
I am saying that allowing people to vote based on their ability to pay taxes or literacy (with the exception of people who are under court ordered care due to mental disability or duress) is the complete opposite of what democracy is.
Back in the 60's, the USSC looked at some of the literacy tests that blacks were forced to take in order to vote. One justice said it was like taking a constitutional law exam and he didnt think he could have passed it. | The voter literacy test in 60s was unfair - but should be re-visited... even though it might disqualify most young voters as sorry as our education system is today.. | |
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07-08-2007, 02:43 PM
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07-08-2007, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by drgondog The voter literacy test in 60s was unfair - but should be re-visited... even though it might disqualify most young voters as sorry as our education system is today.. | What questions would you ask?
For me, I would ask at least this one:
How can you tell if a politician is lying? Answer: His lips are moving.
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07-08-2007, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot I should clarify my last statement I meant to say if you are a citizen vote but not all eligable voters should . But thats apersonal thought not one that is practicle. I voted Rhino once as a protest vote , |
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07-08-2007, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 What questions would you ask?
For me, I would ask at least this one:
How can you tell if a politician is lying? Answer: His lips are moving. | Print your name, address, telephone number and age - "X" not acceptable | |
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07-08-2007, 04:15 PM
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07-08-2007, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Graeme Not that the lyrics reflect the sentiment, but I read where Cooper's song, 'I'm Eighteen' laments the fact that in the US you can be called up for military service at 18, but not be allowed to vote until 21.
True/false? | True during the Vietnam War years. At 18 you have to register for selective service and you could vote at 18. Bottom line there is no US draft.
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07-08-2007, 05:01 PM
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07-08-2007, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Still can't get a beer til your 21 though |
It is weird that at 18, you can be entrusted to shoot weapons of great power and kill people by the dozen..... but not mature enough to have a beer.
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07-08-2007, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 It is weird that at 18, you can be entrusted to shoot weapons of great power and kill people by the dozen..... but not mature enough to have a beer. | At one time that requirement was determined by the state. In the 1970s as MADD gained momentum, pressure was placed on the states by the federal government to have a 21 year old drinking age. States that didn't comply were in danger of loosing federal highway funds. Little by little each state raised their drinking ages to 21.
In Colorado you were able to drink "3.2" beer at 18. 3-2 beer is sold in supermarkets and can be sold on Sundays. All else is bought through a Liquor Store.
I lived in NY when it was 18 and to be honest I'm glad it's 21. When I used to frequent bars sometimes I wished it was 25 based on the immaturity of some kids who just turned 21...
Based on the situation I think it's safer to have a sober 18 year old defending this country than it is to have a 21 year old drinking!
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