What do you think of our current President?

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Marcel

Dear Bill,

I'm not a native english speaker and thus sometimes express myself maybe a little clumsily.
What I've been trying to point out in all my last few posts in this tread is that I believe the most important thing for freedom is controling your own country. Therefore, government is always controlled by the people. This means that as a citizen of a country, you cannot just think about what would just effect you personally, but quite often you'll have to see that you're part of a society supporting your personal situation, this society is your country. My point, and this is also the way I read emacs post, is this: your whole situation, freedom you hold dear, way of live you hold dear, depends on the wellbeing of your country. Therefore the wellbeing of your country is primairy concern, as this also saves your way of life, freedom and believes. The country has to be protected from outside and inside threads!
As your society basicly consists of more than one people it means little personal sacrifices must be made for the benefit of all. One thing must never be touched, though: In the end, the people will be in charge, so which sacrifices will be made is your descision.
As I already said, I look at this from very european point of view. My ideas about these scarifices is probably much different from your ideas as an American. We don't have to agree. What's best for your country doesn't neccesairily have to be best for mine.

Well spoken for a person who thinks he expresses the language 'clumsily'..

As I reflect on your words, I think perhaps the wellbeing of Our country depends on how well we tenaciously defend our ideals and our Constitution as we experience and meet many destructive forces attacking our way of life and our country - external and within.

We have fallen short of our own ideals but as long as we remember what they are, we have a chance to correct our shortcomings.

At the end of the day we either believe in those concepts and those that we derive from believing in a greater being, through all the challenges looming in front of us - or what we are today is destroyed and another form of existance fills the vacuum.

Some will rejoice in the latter, but others will mourn the death of a living dream in which everyone once was granted by God, the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I always listen to you Marcel, even if we see slightly different vistas..

Regards,

Bill

[syscom3]

Karl Rove has resigned.

The man who single handidly got Bush Jr. elected, and the proceeded to wreck his presidency.

[Aussie1001]

Very will put drgondog i do agree.
Lots of thought put into that good on you.....

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by drgondog

Well spoken for a person who thinks he expresses the language 'clumsily'..

As I reflect on your words, I think perhaps the wellbeing of Our country depends on how well we tenaciously defend our ideals and our Constitution as we experience and meet many destructive forces attacking our way of life and our country - external and within.

We have fallen short of our own ideals but as long as we remember what they are, we have a chance to correct our shortcomings.

At the end of the day we either believe in those concepts and those that we derive from believing in a greater being, through all the challenges looming in front of us - or what we are today is destroyed and another form of existance fills the vacuum.

Some will rejoice in the latter, but others will mourn the death of a living dream in which everyone once was granted by God, the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I always listen to you Marcel, even if we see slightly different vistas..

Regards,

Bill

You don't know how long it took me to get the words right and I'm still not satisfied. But I think we understand eachother perfectly reading your post.

[Graeme]

Just been watching the National News..What does the loss of this 'Karl Rove' from the Bush administration mean (to Bush)? The impression given here is that "this is just about the end of Bush" despite a year to go of his term. Who was he, what did he do? Thanks.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Graeme

Just been watching the National News..What does the loss of this 'Karl Rove' from the Bush administration mean (to Bush)? The impression given here is that "this is just about the end of Bush" despite a year to go of his term. Who was he, what did he do? Thanks.

He was one of his top advisors, also campaign strategist, architect of his runs for the presidency. Does it mean much, not really. Not uncommon to see people in the administration leave as the end of the term comes up. The far-left in the democratic party are the only ones who are obsessed with Rove. They hate his guts and want to see some sort indictment against him (political). "The end of Bush" will come on January 20, 2009. To me it's a non-issue, but then again I'm not a very political guy. Just my two cents.

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

He was one of his top advisors, also campaign strategist, architect of his runs for the presidency. Does it mean much, not really. Not uncommon to see people in the administration leave as the end of the term comes up. The far-left in the democratic party are the only ones who are obsessed with Rove. They hate his guts and want to see some sort indictment against him (political). "The end of Bush" will come on January 20, 2009. To me it's a non-issue, but then again I'm not a very political guy. Just my two cents.

Ive been observing the democrats for several years just go into a rabid frenzy just at the mention of "Karl Rove".

Thye hate his guts beyond reason. And its irrational.

I think the democrats are going to implode in 2009 when they realize they dont have Bush to hate. They most likely will end up consuming themselves.

[renrich]

Tough, you may not be much of a political guy but you nailed it in your remarks about Rove resigning.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Ive been observing the democrats for several years just go into a rabid frenzy just at the mention of "Karl Rove".

Thye hate his guts beyond reason. And its irrational.

I think the democrats are going to implode in 2009 when they realize they dont have Bush to hate. They most likely will end up consuming themselves.

You're exactly right about rove. Seeing liberals foaming at the mouth speaking of him... it's ridiculous.

I think you may very well be right about the dem party once Bush is out of office. It's a common point many are rallying around, and once that glue is removed...

I find the dem party, while never short of mindless rhetoric, woefully lacks planned policies with firm objectives.

[renrich]

Syscom, What a good point you make about the dem party imploding after Bush is no longer around to focus on! Of course they will still have a little momentum because they can blame the Iraq war on him but that issue will become stale especially if solving the puzzle of Iraq and terrorism becomes their problem to solve.

[ccheese]

If and I say "IF" the Democrats get into the white house in '08, the first
order of business will be to close down the Iraq war and bring everybody
home. Their idea is to let "all them arabs" fight among themselves.....
one BIG civil war.....

Bush's BIG problem, right now, is the Att'y General.... Alberto.

Right now he is the buffer between Bush and everybody else. If he goes
it's all over. There will be investigations the likes of which you've never
heard of......

Charles

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by ccheese

If and I say "IF" the Democrats get into the white house in '08, the first
order of business will be to close down the Iraq war and bring everybody
home. Their idea is to let "all them arabs" fight among themselves.....
one BIG civil war.....

Bush's BIG problem, right now, is the Att'y General.... Alberto.

Right now he is the buffer between Bush and everybody else. If he goes
it's all over. There will be investigations the likes of which you've never
heard of......

Charles

I think the democrats are getting close to going overboard with Bush.

If it gets any more personal, the GOP might rally around him and be motivated to go and vote in 2008.

[renrich]

Actually Sys, The dem nominee for president is probably going to be Hillary and she makes the hair stand up on a lot of people's backs to the point that I think the voter turnout for the Republicans will be heavy, unlike the congressional elections just past. I don't see the dems making much more hay at Bush's expense, Alberto Gonzales or not. Most of it is just posturing. If Hillary gets elected and they maintain control of Congress it will be most interesting to see what they do about Iraq. My gut tells me it will be pretty much status quo.

[ccheese]

And what if Obama get's the nod ? He wants to talk to the leaders of
the world.

Charles

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by renrich

If Hillary gets elected and they maintain control of Congress it will be most interesting to see what they do about Iraq. My gut tells me it will be pretty much status quo.

What worries me ren is how that scenario will attempt to push our country ever closer to the secular progressive "paradise" that the far left has been clamoring for. The USA has been a traditional, conservative country, based upon Judeo-Christian values and ideals. Putting Iraq and the war on terror aside for a minute, we'll get one activist, ACLU loving, judicial appointment after another. The moral, political, legal, economic and social fabric of the country (IMHO) will be greatly damaged. I hope and pray that the "Arkansas She-Devil" is defeated, but I do think that she is a formidable opponent. And it remains to be seen what they would do with regard to Iraq. Yes, most interesting. And this is coming from a traditional, conservative, independent voting American.

TO