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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  | Yes... and there are smatering of libertarians but u have to admit that most third party candidates are a long shot.
Partisan Politics is detrimential to our political process.
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I didn't know we had one!
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Originally Posted by Aussie1001 Adler of course i'm smarter than that, however i must come down to their level of intelligence to have a working conversation.
lol | That just made me laugh so hard. You do realize you just insulted them for making jokes.
That really shows how smart...
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It appears that the rest of the world isn't into apahty as much as us Aussies....
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08-18-2007, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by comiso90 Yes... and there are smatering of libertarians but u have to admit that most third party candidates are a long shot.
Partisan Politics is detrimential to our political process.
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Bernie Sanders really stirred the sh!t up in the 1980s. Hes an admitted socialist. I'd rather see 1000 of him than some of the nob heads in Washington - at least you know where he's coming from!
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Originally Posted by drgondog I did - but in the context of the firearms debate and the dread the monarchy (of ANY country) had for peasants armed with long range weapons... in the 16 thru 19th centuries - which is the huge contrast between us.
I do not back down from the comment that Royalty was not thrilled with the notion of a peasant that could drill one's royal family members (or private parts) from afar for grievances, real or imagined (mostly real)... Ditto Japanese.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 You are. Accept it. | Hmm, looking at the long line of multi milionair presidents, our prime ministers don't look like elite to me. Our queen is another story, but she has no power. Matbe you should acept that you're ruled by elite, capital elite
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08-18-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcel Nope syscom was You were not talking about the present situation and in historical sense you're right
Hmm, looking at the long line of multi milionair presidents, our prime ministers don't look like elite to me. Our queen is another story, but she has no power. Matbe you should acept that you're ruled by elite, capital elite | Eurpeans seem to like to have unelected and unaccountable beaurocrats and judges make transnational policies regardless of the feelings of the various member states of the EU.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Eurpeans seem to like to have unelected and unaccountable beaurocrats and judges make transnational policies regardless of the feelings of the various member states of the EU. | Sorry don't agree. Our government is chosen by the people. The european parliament consists of elected representatives of the coutries involved. And finally in a referendum we said no to a european constitution and it didn't come to be, so not ruled by unelected beaurocrats, but peoples descicions.
I seem to recollect that Bush won his first election, not by majority of the votes, but by majority of the districts, so he was in power the first 4 years without having the suport of the majority of the people.
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08-18-2007, 04:34 PM
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Country: | Marcel, numerous presidents have won without a majority of the public. Its the electrorial college that decides these issues. Its not how our system is set up although alot of people think that it is. Going to vote your favorite canidate is only part of the process.
Year - President - Electoral percent - Popular percent
1824 John Q. Adams 31.8% 29.8%
1844 James K. Polk (D) 61.8 49.3
1848 Zachary Taylor (W) 56.2 47.3
1856 James Buchanan (D) 58.7 45.3
1860 Abraham Lincoln (R) 59.4 39.9
1876 Rutherford B. Hayes (R) 50.1 47.9
1880 James A. Garfield (R) 57.9 48.3
1884 Grover Cleveland (D) 54.6 48.8
1888 Benjamin Harrison (R) 58.1 47.8
1892 Grover Cleveland (D) 62.4% 46.0%
1912 Woodrow Wilson (D) 81.9 41.8
1916 Woodrow Wilson (D) 52.1 49.3
1948 Harry S. Truman (D) 57.1 49.5
1960 John F. Kennedy (D) 56.4 49.7
1968 Richard M. Nixon (R) 56.1 43.4
1992 William J. Clinton (D) 68.8 43.0
1996 William J. Clinton (D) 70.4 49.0
2000 George W. Bush (R) 50.3 47.8
I guess we should say that Clinton "stole" his first election too!
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08-18-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco We have alot of apathy for Aussies - comes from that Dundee movie! | Njaco we Aussies also have a lot of sympathy if not apathy for Americans. But if you base your opinions of Australia on a movie made by a former Sydney Harbour Bridge Painter. Mate you are in deep **** for not realising Paul Hogan was taking the piss out of the world when he made those movies. The only actor not to get paid was the ****ing crocodile Njaco.
And Aussie if you think I am being blunt as a sledge hammer when I posted my last post to Basket. Well mate sometimes you have to be blunt when putting a point across. Basket made the assumption I was Churchill bashing. In his opinion I was but in my opinion which he saw as Churchill bashing well what can one say. Hey Winston stand up and we will give you another knock around the noggin. What Churchill had forgotten intentionaly was that Australia had always had the threat of the Yellow Peril as it was known then Aussie. Australians had always believed that from the time of the Convict days until quiet recently Aussie that Australia would or could be invaded by Asian Countries. In 1942 that became reality with Japan poised at our door step. If the Japanese had taken Port Moresby either by winning the Coral Sea Battle or by over land via Kokoda Northern Australia would have been in deep ****. Our convoys heading to or from Australia would have been threatened and next step would have been acutal invasion by the Japanese. So when Basket ignorantly said some were Churchill bashing. We as Australians certainly have that right to take a swipe at Churchill in his policies. As our home was threatened at the time and like Malaya and Singapore Churchill would have sacrificed Australia as long as the Germans were defeated first. Where that places us Aussie if the Japanese had invaded was in deep serious trouble. Curtain saw this and so did many Australians at the time. So as far as Churchill was concerned as I said before Stiff ****ing **** Churchill
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08-18-2007, 11:35 PM
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We have alot of apathy for Aussies - comes from that Dundee movie!
Yeah emac i realise your displeased at Mr. Churchill.
He was trying to keep his country safe and what does he care if we get nailed by nips. We're only a colony remember emac....
Oh well being bitter solves nothing 
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08-19-2007, 07:58 AM
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Country: | Emac, I can take nothing away from your opinion of Churchill as your experiences and history about him are alot different than mine and I can accept that. I guess, some say potato and some say potahto. But you have a valid opionion based on that history. I can only relate to the American perspective.
As far as the apathy and Dundee, that was a poor joke. I'll have you know, I've never met an Aussie that I didn't like. I even had the chance a few years ago to call out of the blue, an emu ranch down under I found on the net, about helping me with emus. Very nice and easy-going lot. There is no ill will here.
Now waiting for Les to call me a wuss or worse.
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Originally Posted by Njaco Marcel, numerous presidents have won without a majority of the public. Its the electrorial college that decides these issues. Its not how our system is set up although alot of people think that it is. Going to vote your favorite canidate is only part of the process.
Year - President - Electoral percent - Popular percent
1824 John Q. Adams 31.8% 29.8%
1844 James K. Polk (D) 61.8 49.3
1848 Zachary Taylor (W) 56.2 47.3
1856 James Buchanan (D) 58.7 45.3
1860 Abraham Lincoln (R) 59.4 39.9
1876 Rutherford B. Hayes (R) 50.1 47.9
1880 James A. Garfield (R) 57.9 48.3
1884 Grover Cleveland (D) 54.6 48.8
1888 Benjamin Harrison (R) 58.1 47.8
1892 Grover Cleveland (D) 62.4% 46.0%
1912 Woodrow Wilson (D) 81.9 41.8
1916 Woodrow Wilson (D) 52.1 49.3
1948 Harry S. Truman (D) 57.1 49.5
1960 John F. Kennedy (D) 56.4 49.7
1968 Richard M. Nixon (R) 56.1 43.4
1992 William J. Clinton (D) 68.8 43.0
1996 William J. Clinton (D) 70.4 49.0
2000 George W. Bush (R) 50.3 47.8
I guess we should say that Clinton "stole" his first election too! | I didn't know it was that many. By the way, I wasn't attacking the system, neither Bush, just showing that In the US the one in power is also not always representative of the majority of the people.
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08-19-2007, 09:28 AM
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Country: | No prob, Marcel. I didn't take it that way. Its just that sometimes people have a mispercetion on elections in the states, even among citizens. As much as some want to cry that Bush stole his first election, the results show he gained a higher popular vote than that of the "great" Slick Willie.
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