What do you think of our current President?

[mkloby]

John McCain is the only candidate qualified to be president in my opinion. I think the Department of Defense will do well under him - as well as the judiciary.

[Ham920]

No, I’m not a one post wonder – I work for a living and have been out of town on an assignment. As far as insulting a member, if I read between the lines it looks like there is a lot of insulting going on here. I thought America was founded on the principle of Free Speech so I exercised my right as an American.

I just finished Greenspan’s Book, Age of Turbulence. I think Greenspan is a pretty smart fellow and I respect his opinion. After all, he guided this country through some pretty serious economic conditions when he was Chairman of the Federal Reserve forclose to 20 years. According to Greenspan, Nixon and Clinton were the smartest presidents he knew and/or worked for. Nixon had a dark side to him, but Clinton was very bright. Doesn’t say much for either Bush administration. And I still don’t understand how one equates the sacrifice of thousands of lives to someone lying about their sex life. Ok, you’re not an idiot. You just have trouble equating the value of peoples lives with a BJ. Your'e a Rebublican, right?

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Ham920

You are equating lying about a BJ to lying about something that has cost this country the lives of thousands of young people and has maimed an untold number of others.

You've been watching Keith Olbermann for too long.

Originally Posted by Ham920

When it came to going to war for his country where was George W? Hiding in an airport hanger.

Where was your guy, the BJ pres?

Originally Posted by Ham920

At least John Kerry, who was also from a wealthy family and could have avoided the Vietnam War, went to Vietnam and earned the right to criticize our involvement there.

First of all, any American has the right to criticize our government, whether they have served or not, with RESPONSIBLE DISSENT. But what Kerry did was to TRASH the American soldier in the field, and paint them with a broad brush, comparing their actions in Viet Nam to the hordes of Ghengis Khan and accusing them of all sorts of atrocities.

Statement of John Kerry

I was wearing the uniform of this country on April 22, 1971, when he disgraced himself with his ridiculous speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee so he can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Ham920

Not only was George W. an admitted drunk, he was coward and he has brought this country to the brink of recession if not depression. He is the worst president since Herbert Hoover and/or possibly Sam Grant.

Not around for LBJ, huh Ham? BTW, who you voting for, the She-Devil or B. Hussein?

And who the heck is Sam Grant?

TO

[Njaco]

I may be but you still can't seem to grasp the concept that Clinton went through impeachment for LYING about it. Two different concepts. Just like a difference of opinion and name-calling.

Yes I'm Republican after 20 years as an Independant. Wanted to get more involved. I hate politics and politicians but I am a conservative that believes in Republican ideals. Kinda like the difference between Karl Marx's book and Russian Communism. Guess you're a democrat?

And I still don’t understand how one equates the sacrifice of thousands of lives to someone lying about their sex life.

And I still don't know what you're driving at except to say it sounds like you've been duped by the media into hating Bush.

Wonderful Clinton never sacrificed lives?

[mkloby]

Hey Ham, I just got Age of Turb and look forward to reading it. I will remind you that we are a volunteer force and we believe in the mission... what we are doing over there. I read an editorial today by Joe Galloway that pissed me off. His main point was good - that the troops are still overseas and must not be forgotten. However, he couldn't help himself getting his stabs in on the Bush admin, how it was a choice war, and Cheney mentioning that we are volunteers.

I'm drifting here. Nobody equated the lives of lost servicemen with a BJ. I'd gladly go where Hon George W. Bush directs. Am I a warmonger? Mindless sheep? No - I believe in the mission. There are good things going on over there, despite the many setbacks. It would not be nearly as chaotic over there if it were not for other nations intervening in Iraq also.

Your comment about the President hiding in an airport hangar is reckless and irresponsible. Where do you get off making that remark? If you want to comment on his record, bring facts to the discussion - not some garbage line that you can read in the editorials of most socialist papers throughout this country. If you got nothing, you might as well stop jackin your jaw because it only hurts your credibility.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Ham920

No, I’m not a one post wonder – I work for a living and have been out of town on an assignment. As far as insulting a member, if I read between the lines it looks like there is a lot of insulting going on here. I thought America was founded on the principle of Free Speech so I exercised my right as an American.

Yeah you can voice your opinion, but you can do so without calling someone a ****ing idiot! Do you understand?

[renrich]

Cowards don't get in rusty old F102s and fly around. The mortality rate of people doing what George W Bush did was much higher than in the job that Kerry had. In my opinion any and everyone has the right to disagree with any politician but to use language like coward and drunk says a lot more about the user of that language than about the person accused. The opinion of the military means a lot to me and the vast majority of them seem to support our president and the mission. As for Greenspan and his opinions there are mixed reviews about him and his stint at the Fed. Time will tell.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by renrich

Cowards don't get in rusty old F102s and fly around. The mortality rate of people doing what George W Bush did was much higher than in the job that Kerry had. In my opinion any and everyone has the right to disagree with any politician but to use language like coward and drunk says a lot more about the user of that language than about the person accused. The opinion of the military means a lot to me and the vast majority of them seem to support our president and the mission. As for Greenspan and his opinions there are mixed reviews about him and his stint at the Fed. Time will tell.

especially when maintained by Texas ANG when they visited us , our mechanics held them back because of condition they were amazed at the poor maintainence. the excercise i 'm taklking about was called Survivor, aside from the flying the main attraction was $5.00for all the lobster you could eat , every ADG was represented the Texas ADG unit rep was the squadron commander he flew home commercial until the contaminated hydraulics on both aircraft had been cleaned

[Ham920]

I’m not a Democrat and I’m not a Republican; I’ve voted for both parties when I thought they had the best candidate. I too respect the military and support our troops, but I don’t think one America soldier’s life is worth 10,000 barrels of oil in Iraq and I don’t think we should force the rest of the world to accept our way of living and/or our form of government. I also believe there is collusion between the Bushes, the Cheneyes and foreign oil.

The United States is a unique country with a unique history and our way of life is not necessarily suitable for the entire world. Its time we realized that and stop thinking that we have a monopoly on how the world should be governed. It’s Vietnam all over again. Stop communism over there before it gets here. Stop the terrorists over there before they come here; same thing, same thinking. We were wrong then and we are wrong today. Bush and his pals played fast and loose with the Truth; all smoke and mirrors. Cheney goes around repeating the assertion that Saddam Hussein had close ties to al Qaeda, a claim that has been denied by every U.S. intelligence agency. He describes the effort to bring stability and democracy to Iraq as a “successful endeavor” while there is still no stable functioning democracy over there and after years of training, the Iraq armed forces still can’t keep order in their own country. The real irony is that our occupation of Iraq and the downfall of Hussein have given al Qaeda a foothold in a county where terrorist organizations had never a foothold.

I can see most of you are set in your ways and unwilling to have your way of thinking challenged. Too bad, re-thinking your positions is the only way you can be sure that your thinking is on target and that your open mind is not just a hole in your head. Blindly supporting the President because he is the President doesn’t make you a Patriotic American. Challenging the government is how our government was formed in the first place. Challenging governmet make it stronger and is actually more Patriotic. For example, Thomas Jefferson believed the government should be overthrown every 20 years.

As for the uninformed, such as “ToughOmbre” (you got to be kidding with that handle) Ulysses Simpson Grant was born Hiram Ulysses Grant. When he attended West Point his name was mistakenly recorded as Ulysses Simpson Grant (his Mother’s maiden name was Simpson). Since his initials were U.S. Grant, as in “Uncle Sam” Grant, his nickname became “Sam” Grant. Also, Bruce Catton finished the famous trilogy on Grant begun by Lloyd Lewis. Lewis’s first book was entitled “Captain Sam Grant.” Lewis died and Catton finished the trilogy by writing "Grant Moves South" and "Grant Takes Command." Bruce Catton was famous for the histories he wrote on the American Civil War and won the Pulitzer Prize for “A Stillness at Appomattox.” I assume you’ve all head of Appomattox?

Finally, Bush in his younger days characterized himself as a “drunk.” Not my term - his. As for coward – you may be right, that was too strong (thanks for challenging my thinking), but let’s face it he didn’t go anywhere near where the fighting was and certainly didn't volunteer to go there. We can also thank George W for the splendid job he has done with the economy. He started with a surplus and gave all the money back to his rich friends. That away to think ahead George. Like maybe we might need the surplus in the future to pay for social security or medicare? And by the way Osama bin Laden, the father of 9/11, is still on the loose. Yeah, we got Saddam – same old smoke and mirrors mentality that you all fell for. Saddam didn't bomb the Trade Center -it was bin Laden and he cant' stop laughing at how the Republicans blamed Saddam Hussein, sold that concpet to a gullible American popluace, and re-elected Bush - Mr. "Mission Accomplished."

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Ham920

The United States is a unique country with a unique history and our way of life is not necessarily suitable for the entire world. Its time we realized that and stop thinking that we have a monopoly on how the world should be governed. It’s Vietnam all over again. Stop communism over there before it gets here. Stop the terrorists over there before they come here; same thing, same thinking. We were wrong then and we are wrong today. Bush and his pals played fast and loose with the Truth; all smoke and mirrors. Cheney goes around repeating the assertion that Saddam Hussein had close ties to al Qaeda, a claim that has been denied by every U.S. intelligence agency. He describes the effort to bring stability and democracy to Iraq as a “successful endeavor” while there is still no stable functioning democracy over there and after years of training, the Iraq armed forces still can’t keep order in their own country. The real irony is that our occupation of Iraq and the downfall of Hussein have given al Qaeda a foothold in a county where terrorist organizations had never a foothold.

Just more liberal press banter. That is what the liberal press wants you to believe. It is not as bad over there as you make it seem. I know I have been there.

Is it bad? Yes? Can we win? Not with the current situation, but there is a lot of good that has happened over there.

The press and people like you just dont want to believe it!

Originally Posted by Ham920

Saddam didn't bomb the Trade Center -it was bin Laden and he cant' stop laughing at how the Republicans blamed Saddam Hussein, sold that concpet to a gullible American popluace, and re-elected Bush - Mr. "Mission Accomplished."

I am still glad that we took that ******* down for whatever reasons!

[Njaco]

Don't have time to go into it at this moment but 2 things:

1.) Bush's stated doctrine as oulined in his speech shortly after 9/11 was to go after all terrorist and those who harbor them. Never said Saddam was responsible for WTC but he did foster terrorism. Check and see who has been captured since we went over there.

2.)

As for the uninformed, such as “ToughOmbre” (you got to be kidding with that handle)

Before insulting another member I suggest you check out the "What Does Your Handle/Name Mean" thread. You might inform yourself.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Ham920

As for the uninformed, such as “ToughOmbre” (you got to be kidding with that handle)

Liberals like yourself always stay in character by personally attacking those that they don't agree with (BTW, I know who "Sam" Grant was/is, not many refer to him by that name anymore).

In your first post you called a member an idiot, in your third you belittle my forum name. Uninformed? Instead of giving us a history lesson on US Grant's nickname (which is quite irrelevant to this thread), why don't you do a little research on "ToughOmbre". I'll give you a hint, google 90th Infantry Division, then D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, battle stars, Patton and finally Distinguished Unit Citation. You might learn something.

As for the rest of your post, save it for the next Code Pink rally. A far left ideologue like yourself could not be convinced of anything resembling the truth. All you guys do is run around in circles screaming "Bush lied" and hanging on every word that comes out of Olbermann's mouth.

Uninformed huh

TO - That's TOUGHOMBRE to you Ham

[mkloby]

Ham - please show proof of this Bush/Cheney Oil Connection. Just stating it based on a suspicion doesn't do anything.

Bush gave all the money back to rich friends? We know that is just false, although it sounds good. My tax burden as a middle class American has been reduced by Bush's plan as opposed to what it would have been, or what likely will be under the socialist president. Yup, if a dem becomes president, it will be harder for ME to make the mortgage payment... perhaps I should just stop paying the mortgage since it's the fed's responsibility to bail me out for my irresponsibility. President Bush has been president through some of the most difficult 8 years in this country's history. It's easy for people to sit back and hack and slash at him for everything he's done, but I'm sure the job is not as simple as some would make it.

You want good economic policy - let's increase the corporate tax rate like Obama has suggested. That's a good idea. The US has very high corporate taxes to begin with, plus dividends to shareholders are taxed also. How high are you going to tax corporations in this country???? Obama's lights are on, but there is nobody home.

You may disagree with the reasons for invading Iraq - but do you believe that Saddam had a legitimate gov't and should have ruled that country? Perhaps the US should stay out of all global affairs and allow any mass crimes to take place anywhere?

[Njaco]

Ham, you seem so fascinated with the concept that Bush is a drunk and that is he "killed" people while giving a pass to Clinton for cheating on his wife. You forgot to mention the greatest drunk of all who also has killed - Ted Kennedy. Hasn't stopped him so far from keeping office. I also don't see you calling for him to resign.

But lets compare - What politicians had to be removed from office because they were a drunkard? Can't think of one.

How about a politician who was removed because of cheating?
Gov. Spitzer
Gov. McGreevey
Gary Hart
Senator Craig ( still working on that one)

and on and on and on......

Seems to me sexual misconduct is more abhorent to the public than a drunkard.

But it was only a BJ.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Ham920

I also believe there is collusion between the Bushes, the Cheneyes and foreign oil.

What's this statement based on? You have the facts to prove "collusion", or are you just spouting the propaganda of the far-left websites, i.e. Media Matters, The Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc.?

If you're talking about the price of oil, I think the principle of supply and demand (China and India as consumers, not to mention speculators) has something to do with that. But I really want to hear your "collusion" theories.

One more question. Do you think September 11th was an "inside job"? Just curious.

TO