What do you think of our current President?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I think it's time we live within our means and a program to develop new sources of energy would be the equivilant of the Apollo project the spin offs in technology would be massive and also revitalize both your economy and industrial base . These industries wouldn't be as labour intensive as the auto sector but would supply good paying jobs as well as letting the US do what it does best taking the ball technology wise and running for the endzone .

And I agree 100% - but to get to those jobs we need gas until industry allows us to get rid of our gas vehicles or develops technology that has our cars getting 100 MPG.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

And I agree 100% - but to get to those jobs we need gas until industry allows us to get rid of our gas vehicles or develops technology that has our cars getting 100 MPG.

there is no shortage of oil its just expensive

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

there is no shortage of oil its just expensive

Correct - but in the mean time folks need to get to work, they need to eat, "things" need to get moved and delivered. Short term - start drilling, it's that simple.

[Njaco]

I don't think it has anything to do with industry. Its the government that puts restrictions on exploration, high tarrifs on alternate fuels, all kinds of red tape when it comes to finding and using new energy sources. Washington has a very heavy hand in all of this regardless of what is available.

[ssculptor]

President Cheney is an old line hawk from the 19th Century empire building Governments.
Bush is nothing more than an idiot puppet.
Every time I see him I am reminded of the old TV childrens' puppet show, Howdy Doody.
The fact that Bush got elected twice simply proves that one cannot underestimate the intelligence of the voting public in the USA. They are always dummer than one thinks.
Problem is, the Democrats are run by the northern big city reformers who have their own agenda. Mainly one which can be personified by the image of an overbearing, know-it-all, blowsy, middle age woman who thinks only she knows what is right and everyone should do exactly as she dictates.
The only reason the Democrats have a chance of getting elected this year is because the Bush administration is a total screw-up!
The Republicans are not bothered by the idea of telling everyone what to do. They just want to make as much money as they can by exploiting the middle and working classes in the USA.
Either way we do not have much of a choice. In November we can choose between Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. Lots of Luck!

[freebird]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Tell that to the poor family struggling to put gas in their car - I'm sure you folks (on the other side of the falls ) are struggling as well but a change in oil consumption is not going to happen overnight.

Drill, but then at the same time start developing new energy technology.

And it makes no sense to me. The largest supplier of petroleum to the USA - is Canada

Price of gas per gallon in:
Venezuala - $0.29
Arabia - $0.39
USA - $4.00
Canada- $5.25

We produce the damn stuff yet it's cheaper down there. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Njaco

I don't think it has anything to do with industry. Its the government that puts restrictions on exploration, high tarrifs on alternate fuels, all kinds of red tape when it comes to finding and using new energy sources. Washington has a very heavy hand in all of this regardless of what is available.

Exactly!

The proposal to tap the 10's of billion barrels of "Shale oil" in CO, WY & UT has been blocked by congress....

[renrich]

If one cannot see a clear difference between the GOP and the dem party, one is either uninformed or so dogmatic that he won't look at the facts. Having faith in a government program paid for by taxpayers to develop alternate energy sources is a standard left wing attitude. The way to develop alternate energy is to, with thoughtfulness, take the halter off private enterprise and let them run with the ball. In the meantime continue to utilise all the hydrocarbon and other sources such as nuclear once again in a thoughtful manner. The problem is similar to the 1800s when we were running out of sperm oil for lamps. It will ultimately be solved by private enterprise, not a heavy handed and inefficient bureaucracy. In the meantime, drive less, carpool and get a more fuel efficient vehicle.

[Njaco]

The Republicans are not bothered by the idea of telling everyone what to do. They just want to make as much money as they can by exploiting the middle and working classes in the USA.

which premier bush then gave to the upper class

!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!
Once again the blind leading the blind.

Richest members of Congress

1. Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $219,098,029 owns Kohls department and grocery stores and he owns the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team.

2. Jane Harman (D-Calif) $168,651,649 married the co-founder of Harman Kardon.

3. John Kerry (D-Mass) $165,741,511 is married to Teresa Heinz, heiress to the Heinz food fortune.

4. Darrell Issa (R-Calif) $135,862,098

5. Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $78,150,023 is a Rockefeller.

Digg - The Richest Members of Congress

Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Mateo, has served in Congress for almost 24 years, owns shares of Boeing Co., the world's largest aerospace company, valued at $500,000 to $1 million. He also owns an apartment building in Vancouver, British Columbia, which produces net rents of more than $100,000 a year. Shares in Eastman Kodak, Xerox and Northwest Airlines, $100,000 to $250,000 each; and Walt Disney and General Electric, $50,000 to $100,000 each.

Rep. Pete Stark, D-Hayward, who has served in the House for three decades, owns a warehouse in South San Francisco that produces rental income of $1 million to $5 million a year.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is married to investor Paul Pelosi.Paul Pelosi's holdings include a four-story commercial building on Belden Place in San Francisco, a retail and office building on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard in San Anselmo and an ownership stake in the Auberge du Soleil resort in Napa Valley valued at $1 million to $5 million. He also has millions of dollars of shares in publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, Amazon. com and AT&T. The couple estimated their total assets to be worth $25 million to $102 million last year, with liabilities of $6 million to $31 million.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein: Senate salary: $154,700. Ownership stake in Carlton Hotel in San Francisco valued at $5 million to $25 million; a marital blind trust, $1 million to $5 million; annual pension income from city of San Francisco of $43,138; Tahoe condo, $500, 000 to $1 million, condo in Kauai, Hawaii, $250,000 to $500,000, both jointly owned with her husband, Richard Blum.

Sen. Barbara Boxer: Senate salary: $154,700. Blind trust with her husband, Stewart Boxer, $1 million to $5 million; condo in Washington, D.C., $100,000 to $250,000; interest in an Oakland office building, $15,000 to $50,000; stock holdings valued $1,000 to $15,000 each in America Online, Lightspan.com and IBM.

Rep. Sam Farr, D-Carmel: Many stocks acquired because of his father's death and the dissolution of the Janet H. Farr Trust, including shares of Chevron, Boeing, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, Merck and Pfizer worth $15,000 to $50,000 each.
WASHINGTON / Bay lawmakers among wealthiest / Feinstein and Pelosi continue to top the list of the richest members of Congress

"Democrats now control the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions. More than half of the wealthiest households are concentrated in the 18 states where Democrats control both Senate seats.
This new political demography holds true in the House of Representatives, where the leadership of each party hails from different worlds. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic leader of the House of Representatives, represents one of America's wealthiest regions. Her San Francisco district has more than 43,700 high-end households. Fewer than 7,000 households in the western Ohio district of House Republican leader John Boehner enjoy this level of affluence.

The next rung of House leadership shows the same pattern. Democratic majority leader Steny Hoyer's district is home to the booming suburban communities between Washington, DC, and Annapolis. It boasts almost 19,000 wealthy households and a median income topping $62,000. Mr Hoyer's counterpart, minority whip Roy Blunt, hails from a rural Missouri district that has only 5,200 wealthy households and whose median income is only $33,000."
Democrats wake up to being the party of the rich

Lot of Big name American business' there and rental properties - of course they not influenced by that, are they?


So can we all now stop with the rich Republican bashing. Just because the liberals are sneaky about it doesn't mean its true. Its like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, pointing at his brother as to who ate the cookies.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by freebird

And it makes no sense to me. The largest supplier of petroleum to the USA - is Canada

Price of gas per gallon in:
Venezuala - $0.29
Arabia - $0.39
USA - $4.00
Canada- $5.25

We produce the damn stuff yet it's cheaper down there. Go figure.

The average family income in both Saudia Arabia and Venezuela is about $2,000 USD per year.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

The average family income in both Saudia Arabia and Venezuela is about $2,000 USD per year.

True, but in many poor countries they are also paying market rates. {$4}

Another big problem is that China subsidises gas - it's only about $2.40 over there. Drives up consumption.


The point I was making is that most petroleum exporters have cheaper fuel available at home - except Canada.....

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by freebird

True, but in many poor countries they are also paying market rates. {$4}

Yep and that's horrible for the poor there!

Originally Posted by freebird

Another big problem is that China subsidises gas - it's only about $2.40 over there. Drives up consumption.


The point I was making is that most petroleum exporters have cheaper fuel available at home - except Canada.....

Agree - and Venezuela IMPORTS it's gas!

[renrich]

Njaco, to follow up on your comments, Warren Buffet, one of the richest men in the world is a dem, George Soros, another extremely rich one is a notorious dem-left winger. Most of the rich Hollywood crowd are dems. If one can get the list of donors to the dem party, the dem party consistently has larger donations from individuals than the Repubs. Only the uninformed believe that the GOP is the party of the rich.

[Njaco]

Didn't want to hijack the thread but I really get steamed when this urban myth gets tossed around.

Just heard today how an expansion to Conoco for its refinery in Illinois is being held up by the EPA because of regs from enviormental groups. Just a small example of how its messed up by the crowd in DC.

[Glider]

When is someone in authority going to remember that 60 years ago Germany produced vast quantaties of oil from coal. No doubt it was by modern standards a dirty process, but a lot has changed over 60 years and I am sure that it would be much cleaner these days.

[starling]

njaco,s comments were i believe mirrored by the eminent syndicated columnist,charles krauthamer,on brit humes evening slot,on fox news.yours,starling.p.s.i believe it was post 848.