What do you think of our current President?

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

Kruska... I was really hopping you would answer the G2G and contracts and the back door sells ... I was really trying to be nice ...

I don’t think we are upsetting the Forum, just each other

G2G is a contract that needs to be approved by the government – meaning the Parliament or house of Parliament. It is therefore checked and approved or disapproved by the Parliament. Either the respective Embassies or Military attaches are the primary source of handing in another countries request towards a weapon purchase, or the respective producer upon being approached by a potential buyer has to forward it to the Defense Department or Foreign Department (Germany – France for example). Without the approved document the producer would not be able to obtain an export license.

Now the Legal ways to get around this are to purchase the weapons from a country that is a joint venture partner of the initial producer. The AAM Roland is produced by Germany and France, so if Germany says no, then give it a try at France. If France denies the “contractor” (one of many ways) will come in. One way would be in trying to obtain parts or the whole system on behalf of a country that is not listed as “no” candidate, for example South Africa.

Now France (Parliament) might agree to sell 6 systems, and will request a 3rd Party assurance from SA that they need to consult (big difference) or to obtain the permit from France if they intend to sell it on. Upon or even before arrival all Rolands or just the initially requested 3 systems are diverted straight to Iraq. Maybe one of the ‘Enduring freedom” navy ships might intercept a “suspicious” freighter heading towards Basrah. So better to sent them to Syria.

If not intercepted on its way, Adler will find them in Iraq and report this matter. France can now proof that they only sold it to SA and that SA did not obtain a permit to deliver to Iraq. (If the French Parliament agreed to the clause “consult”) it might reflect back on them but it would be easy to point at SA and making a statement in CNN and New York Times – “we never, never, expected SA of such criminal behavior” – and next time we will insist on “obtain permit”. “

The person who acted as the “negotiator” in SA received 4 million US$ from the “contractor” and will be relieved of his duties by the SA government, he will or might not be prosecuted because he gave away 2million US$ to a high ranking government official, minister or even the President of SA.

So the higher the deal the more $$$ the better for the involved “contractor” and “negotiator” to get away with everything.

France now can “Embargo” SA for breaching the contract, however France’s export volume with SA is billions of $, does France or Germany or the US want to endanger its billion $ export volume because of 3 Roland systems?

And this is happening every day on this planet.

Regards
Kruska

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by renrich

I will tell you why I think Bush has been a good president,

Hello renrich,

Don’t get me wrong, I just have to do it…. Is that all your president can show for after 8 years?
Now I presume he has done many other things which you didn’t put in because it might have been too much to write.

Let me please just pick out one issue, because it is the easiest. IRAQ

Since the 2nd Gulf war about 500.000 Iraqis have perished. Thousands of people have been killed by terrorists outside the US since 9/11. The whole place is a terrorist beehive, it has promoted dozens of new terrorist offspring’s, it has destabilized the Middle East – Mubarak (The most western Arab leader) wasn’t even willing to shake hands with Israel anymore. He has even managed to get the moderate Arab countries against him; he has deteriorated the relationship to almost every country on this planet – besides Israel.
So much for Bush’s foreign policy. Not to mention North Korea and Iran, two countries that have not provoked or caused any international conflict before Bush started to declare them as evil.

Do you really think China, Russia, India, Japan, Taiwan is not aware about NK? and would not see them as a thread to the world and therefore also against China if they acctually would be? Probably China and the others are just stupid right?

Bush has done nothing at all to calm down the situation between Israel and Arabs, why should Iran abandon any projects that will put it at even odds with Israel? Bush heats up the entire Middle-East and then turns onto Iran intead of using the past 8 years to negotiate and prevent the military race between Israel and Iran or other Arab states.
How come that Russia and even Turkey or Pakistan or India or China do not see Iran as a threat? Probably all of them are just stupid right?

And this is what we non US citizens can see, because it affects our lives, the most important person on this planet was even unable to run his own small company – now he is running the USA and therefore the world economy.
As for your economic situation in the USA, let me ask you just one thing: what was the US$ exchange rate to the EURO in 2001 and where is it now? If you think that this wouldn’t have a major impact on the US economy, well IMO you would be very wrong.

Regards
Kruska

[Haztoys]

Kruska...I wise you would understand the US congress has more to do with the US economy then the President ...And the Dem's have been in control of Congress and the time the Dem's got in control is the same time it all went down hill .. Not that I think Bush is a saint ...I'm 43 and all the President's sents I've been around have not done much for the common man... But the Rep's seem to do better .. Maybe Reagan a Rep....And he was only ok...( my feelings on Reagan)

And why can't the Arab world say that Israel has a right to be in the Med East.. Do to the fact they the Arab world has no intention of peace with Israel...They want them gone ..The US will stand fast with Israel untill then..

These two point I wish you would understand ...

[renrich]

The terrorism attacks around the world were taking place long before Bush was elected. To try to tie them to Bush is just plain incorrect. Libya has calmed itself down since Bush. Are you saying that North Korea and Iran have only been problems since Bush was elected? Surely not. Are you saying that Iran has only been a threat to Israel since 2000? Surely not. Where do you get the numbers of 500000 deaths in Iraq? If you are going to say the Lancet, those are incorrect. The cheap dollar has meant that American export companies are doing quite well and historically it is not that cheap. Would you want to detail the accomplishments of the previous president in 8 years. Of course, I am looking at the record as an American citizen, a voter, a taxpayer and a conservative who believes that the government which governs least, governs best, not as a foreigner, a European who lives probably in a country that I would characterise as socialist. Clearly you know nothing about the oil industry, especially when Bush was involved with it.

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

Kruska...I wise you would understand the US congress....

Well that exactly is his job as President, and every candidate knows this.
So he failed. Reagan is still the best, never had an excuse, did all kind of dirty buisiness and got away with it, was respected throughout the world, and managed to make Gadafih of Lybia ..Sh...t in his pants with a couple of F-111, without screwing up the whole country and the Middle East.

And why can't the Arab world say that Israel has a right to be in the Med East.. Do to the fact they the Arab world has no intention of peace with Israel...They want them gone ..The US will stand fast with Israel untill then..


First off all IMO Israel has no right to be there, who cares were sombody lived 2000 years ago. Egypt had recognized Israel, even the Palestinians had, now it’s all back to square 1.

Anyway I have to sell somethings, so the Forum belongs to you for the next 2-3 weeks

Regards
Kruska

[renrich]

That last post, I believe, may have identified the problem as far as Kruska is concerned. In his opinion, Israel has no right to exist. That explains a lot.

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by renrich

That last post, I believe, may have identified the problem as far as Kruska is concerned. In his opinion, Israel has no right to exist. That explains a lot.

Don't ever put words in my mouth, especially not on this topic. Or I will hunt you down.

I said very clearly "HAS NO RIGHT TO BE THERE" and not NO RIGHT TO EXIST.

Kruska

[pbfoot]

I tend to agree that Israel is a state that shouldn't be however the events of WW2 forced the issue , the fact is it's there and there is nothing that can be done about it now except to negotiate living space for both sets of clowns (Israelis and Palestinians )that is fair and equal . I don't agree with either sides methods of dealing with each other
I believe if the natives (not sure which tribes inhabited Texas) wanted there land back today would you not fight for it Ren IMHO its no different for the Palestinians.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Kruska

I said very clearly "HAS NO RIGHT TO BE THERE" and not NO RIGHT TO EXIST.

Kruska

If the Jewish nation wanted a "homeland" where would you put it? {presumably not Madagascar}

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I tend to agree that Israel is a state that shouldn't be however the events of WW2 forced the issue , the fact is it's there and there is nothing that can be done about it now except to negotiate living space for both sets of clowns (Israelis and Palestinians )that is fair and equal . I don't agree with either sides methods of dealing with each other

A thorny problem to be sure.

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I believe if the natives (not sure which tribes inhabited Texas) wanted there land back today would you not fight for it Ren IMHO its no different for the Palestinians.

The former residents of Texas DO want it back, they are known as MEXICANS! {after they killed off almost of the original natives}

They are well on their way to getting it back anyways....

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I tend to agree that Israel is a state that shouldn't be however the events of WW2 forced the issue , the fact is it's there and there is nothing that can be done about it now except to negotiate living space for both sets of clowns (Israelis and Palestinians )that is fair and equal . I don't agree with either sides methods of dealing with each other
I believe if the natives (not sure which tribes inhabited Texas) wanted there land back today would you not fight for it Ren IMHO its no different for the Palestinians.

Once more you are very wise in your statement Mr PD....It goes back to how far back do you go in time to say owner ship..10 years or 10.000 years...

I "think" the Jews have a time line in that part of the world as long as the Palestinians .. They both claim Abraham as there roots to the land ..If it was not for the mess of WW2 ..That part of teh world would not be in the mess its in now..Its sad how people will pick "there" time to start from..And say thats the starting point of the (or a) mess like this ...You can blame it on the Israelis ...You can blame it on the Germans do to WW2 and try to snuff out teh Jews ..You can blame it in the Brit's for giving away land that was not there to give ...It real handy these days to blame the US for the mess over there..And so on and so on...

No win deal...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Kruska

Hello D.A.I.G.,

No don't worry, this post was not directed to you at all. As mentioned in the text is was specifically meant for Haztoys and Co.

Arsenal VG-33 and D.A.I.G.

French bombs in Iraq, D.A.I.G you forgot to mention the 6000 15A2C

You can be dead sure that no weapons or technology was delivered with the knowledge or approval by the French and German government.
There are procedures such as an export allowance and approval requisition for anything that needs to be exported. Especially to countries which are on an Embargo list. It also includes a 3rd party statement in regards to illegal transactions on behalf of the 2nd Party.

However as you know very well, there are thousands of so called “contractors to the DoD” on this planet who are partially very skilled and ruthless when it comes to illegal transactions of military or listed embargo materials through 3rd party channels.

There were still French weapons there, and that is my point. I believe every country should be responsible for weapons built in there country. That goes for anyone as well including France, The United States, and Germany...

Originally Posted by Kruska

As for terrorist training camps in Iraq: Off course Iraq had maintained several of these training camps, however a direct link to training Al Qaida has not been proven. Almost every country maintains these kinds of camps, incl. the USA. The significant difference is that those people trained in Western countries are called Freedom fighters or insurgents for the “good” cause. The opposing side will prefer to call them terrorists.

A very prominent figure trained in these Western Camps is O. bin Laden and several of his followers, as well as the majority of Iraq’s - Mukhabarat -former secret service.

Regards
Kruska

The point I was making is that there were training camps. I dont care if they are Al Quaida or not. A terrorist is a terrorist...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Arsenal VG-33

Adler, you may be very upset to see me here, you're feeling towards me are well known, but where was I insulting??? I questioned the veracity of your statement and that makes me insulting?? I asked for proof of your statement.

"With all due respect Adler" - That's not an insult. It a preface to what I believe to be a very dubious claim. Nice to know I'm no longer afforded the right of an opinion.

You calling me a liar because I happend to say something about your beloved French is insulting to me.

By calling BS on that you were implying that I was a liar, because it was something that was about you beloved French. I have never lied about a damn thing on this forum.

The funny thing is, I never had a problem with you. I disagreed with a lot of your opinions especially your belief that the French are the greatest thing since bread and butter and can do no wrong, but I never had a problem with you. I believe everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

I do however have a problem with someone when they call me a liar...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by JugBR

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Is there a problem with that?

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

You can blame it in the Brit's for giving away land that was not there to give ...It real handy these days to blame the US for the mess over there..And so on and so on...

No win deal...

Hold on a minute here. The Brit's have a whole bunch of things to take blame for, but this isn't one of them.

The British resisted letting the Jews set up a state in Palestine {for some reason they suspected that it would bring conflicts?}

The Jewish people {with help from the US} were mainly responsible for instigating the set-up of Israel, in fact many British soldiers were killed by Jewish "freedom fighters" after WWII. {If they had been muslims we would call them terrorists }

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Kruska

Maybe I could be involved in some way in this kind of business control ? or simply because there was no G2G business between France and Iraq during the UN Embargo, and France would never risk it.

Can you prove that? I doubt it.

All governments do things behind each others backs. There is no government that is completely innocent.

Originally Posted by Kruska

So either Adler saw something different, and if not it can only be due to a contractor deal.
To manipulate or channel high tec military hardware into any country isn't the problem at all, the problem starts when the respective weapons or systems are found or detected, where they are not supposed to be - like a German Leopard in Lybia.

No we saw crated aerial bombs built and marked from France. I do however understand where you are coming from. Example: Mexico () sells high teck missiles to Canada who sell them to Iran...