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06-29-2008, 06:00 PM
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Country:  | From my point of view, Fox News does try to keep it "fair and balanced." We are so used to seeing the slanted views of the mainsteam media, Fox looks like it is coming from the right. The actual statistics as far as stories favoring one point of view or the other do show that Fox is the most objective. | 
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06-29-2008, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JugBR  do you have any idea how all this began ? | Yes I do..........And.........?
Theres a mess of ways this got started ..Whats your "opinion" of the start of it all...And it will be "just your opinion"..It all comes to what point in time you would like to start at.. Thats whats so frustrating these days on this forum..This question here everyone rams there way is the truth..I've been just as bad as others ..Its a no win contest with the Mid East..And its a no win contest here too..
If your going to ram rod your way ..Then skip it ... Sorry if I come across rude ..Not trying too...My Friend...
Its just would be nice for that part of the world is see eye to eye... | |
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Originally Posted by renrich From my point of view, Fox News does try to keep it "fair and balanced." We are so used to seeing the slanted views of the mainsteam media, Fox looks like it is coming from the right. The actual statistics as far as stories favoring one point of view or the other do show that Fox is the most objective. | Fox News sometimes causes a lot of greif with poorly researched stories . For instance after 9/11 Fox news stated the hijackers had entered the US from this land and to this day people believe that even though it was untrue , Newt Gingrach that started that , proves to me he is no newsman but a political gossip queen but people take his version of news as gospel as late as 2005 a US Senator parroted this view U.S. senator revives 9/11 myth about Canada
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| I think there all doing that these days don't you think PD...?
There all trying to be the first with the scoop on a story.. | |
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Originally Posted by Haztoys I think there all doing that these days don't you think PD...?
There all trying to be the first with the scoop on a story.. | Yep and checking and double checking is no longer part of proper journalism its who gets the story first and to hell checking it out to see if its true
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06-30-2008, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JugBR its a little bit edited and cutted but it shows very well the "meat grinder". | Jug, there are reports or hosts on Fox that I don't like or that I disagree with, {yes and Sean Hannity is an a**} However Fox is a whole lot fairer than Obermann on "Countdown" or c.Matthews on 'Hardball". IMHO
the hosts of Fox {Gibson, O'reilly, etc} often criticize Bush & the Republicans for their policies {Immigration, Harriet Myers, bloated budjets, Iraq mistakes, Katrina mishandling, etc} but I don't believe I have EVER heard Obermann say bad things about the Dems or something good about the Republicans. Where is the balance? 
People can turn to different channels to get different opinions on the news if they want to.
Now this "rant" you posted a link to claims that Fox is "racist" - what statement do you think is racist?
That the rise in fatherless homes in the black community is a major problem?
That many white Americans find Obama's pastors statements to be offensive?
That it seems the Clintons tried to use racial politics to attack Obama?
That many of the 92% of blacks who voted for Obama did so because he is black?
If a statement is unpleasant but is also true, that does not make it racist... 
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Originally Posted by freebird Jug, there are reports or hosts on Fox that I don't like or that I disagree with, {yes and Sean Hannity is an a**} However Fox is a whole lot fairer than Obermann on "Countdown" or c.Matthews on 'Hardball". IMHO
the hosts of Fox {Gibson, O'reilly, etc} often criticize Bush & the Republicans for their policies {Immigration, Harriet Myers, bloated budjets, Iraq mistakes, Katrina mishandling, etc} but I don't believe I have EVER heard Obermann say bad things about the Dems or something good about the Republicans. Where is the balance?
People can turn to different channels to get different opinions on the news if they want to.
Now this "rant" you posted a link to claims that Fox is "racist" - what statement do you think is racist?
That the rise in fatherless homes in the black community is a major problem?
That many white Americans find Obama's pastors statements to be offensive?
That it seems the Clintons tried to use racial politics to attack Obama?
That many of the 92% of blacks who voted for Obama did so because he is black?
If a statement is unpleasant but is also true, that does not make it racist... | i believe for some people, the goals justifies the means. if the goal is destroy obamas campaign...
next days, youll see, every single aspect os obamas life will be explored. if hes stole a pot of butter from the grocery when was 11, or if he dates another girl when dating his future wife, or how many times he bathes... everything will be explored exagerated and publicated.
sean hanity is rupert murdochs pitbull, he throws the bone, sean runs and bite. its far the most fanatic of those. he looks like an aunt of mine, same fat round face and also histerical the same, including the victimizations and everything. i hate that bitch lolllll.
i dont like o´reilly either(was funny watch him on his cruzade against hip hop music) and for me gibson is like a "chuchu"(doesnt taste goog either bad). i like that guy from cnn, richard quest because hes accent is funny, but i really do prefer watch the international news from bbc, or deutche welle(portuguese), or rtp internacional and the globo news, wich is a brazilian channel but with a quality wich is they allow, people to explain their point of wiews and let they talk eual time and dont interrupts with silly questions.
the republicans of this forum would like a guy from globo called diogo mainardi, he cultues bush as a god and think iraq next 50 years will be an arabian swissland. also he cheers for mccain.
he also hates lula, but in that point i agree with him ! 
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next days, youll see, every single aspect os obamas life will be explored
| This is the same for every presidential canidate. I'm guessing you disagree then with the expose' on Bush's Guard service?
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Originally Posted by Njaco This is the same for every presidential canidate. I'm guessing you disagree then with the expose' on Bush's Guard service? | no, i believe it wasnt good at the same
also like bill clinton and his affair with that fat lady
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06-30-2008, 09:23 AM
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Country: | Freebird, I appreciate your remarks about Fox and am in agreement. PB,your perspective on Newt Gingrich is one I agree with also. I know a little about him as in "insider" stuff and he is an elitist who thinks his ____ doesn't stink. He had an opportunity to have a chance to do some good for this country and for his party and messed it up. He does not have much credibility with me. All the media outlets tend to exaggerate and sensationalise their reporting and they all tend to be careless but Fox, to me, is head and shoulders above the rest for fairness, in spite of the fact that the owner and founder is a leftist. | |
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Originally Posted by JugBR i what foxnews does ? | I dont know, I dont watch Fox News.
OH MY GOSH!!!
Is that possible, that someone who typically votes Republican does not watch Fox News????
Hell I dont watch Communist News Network either...
You see I like to watch and read different view points and make my own educated decision. In the end no matter what decision I make, I don't belittle the other side. That is what I mean by condescending...
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Originally Posted by JugBR no, i believe it wasnt good at the same
also like bill clinton and his affair with that fat lady | You know whats funny. You pick and choose what you think proves your point.
Go and look at the other side.
The Democratic and "left" news agencies do the same thing to the Republicans in there news programs.
That is something the "lefties" on this forum will never admit to.
Pretty pathetic actually, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by JugBR
sean hanity is rupert murdochs pitbull.
I can't handle Hannity, his attitude & demeanor I find rude & irritating. However I can listen to Colmes, even though I disagree with him on most things.
i dont like o´reilly either(was funny watch him on his cruzade against hip hop music)
Hip hop music is offensive chauvenist garbage. Just IMO. Sorry
and for me gibson is like a "chuchu"(doesnt taste goog either bad). i like that guy from cnn, richard quest because hes accent is funny, but i really do prefer watch the international news from bbc, or deutche welle(portuguese).
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Originally Posted by Njaco This is the same for every presidential canidate. I'm guessing you disagree then with the expose' on Bush's Guard service? | Oh yeah the media really gave the soft treatment to Guiliani!  {Which he richly deserved!} Quote:
Originally Posted by JugBR no, i believe it wasnt good at the same
also like bill clinton and his affair with that fat lady | Umm, nobody has put forward any "racist" statement by Gibson or O'Reilly, but that last remark was offensive to the "Gravity Challenged"
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Originally Posted by renrich Freebird, I appreciate your remarks about Fox and am in agreement. PB,your perspective on Newt Gingrich is one I agree with also. I know a little about him as in "insider" stuff and he is an elitist who thinks his ____ doesn't stink. He had an opportunity to have a chance to do some good for this country and for his party and messed it up. He does not have much credibility with me. All the media outlets tend to exaggerate and sensationalise their reporting and they all tend to be careless but Fox, to me, is head and shoulders above the rest for fairness, in spite of the fact that the owner and founder is a leftist. | This is bizarre! Ren I am going to have to take the opposite side to you on this, I have to defend the { Republican} Newt Gingrich.  He made a mistake about Canada, and apologised. I think he made alot of progress in Congress, trying to reduce taxes and cut pork. After he left, Tom Delay took over and the Congress became more partisan, acrimonious and started sending up deficit budgets. I like his intellect, and the fact that he was formerly a history proffesor, not some crooked lawyer or lobbist!
As I am driving all day, I usually listen to the Fox channel, the best hosts are Tom Sullivan, + Brian & the Judge. They present both sides of a debate, and don't shout down people who they disagree with. {like Hannity}
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Country: | The bone I have to pick with Gingrich is his attitude which seems as if he is "casting pearls down in front of us swine" and the fact that he and his party had some good ideas and some momentum and squandered it all by his personal misbehavior. He was the speaker of the house. Delay was the majority whip and was waylaid by an unscrupulous dimocrat DA in Travis county, Texas. Believe me that Gingrich and his cronies think they know more than us plain folks. | |
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Originally Posted by renrich The bone I have to pick with Gingrich is his attitude which seems as if he is "casting pearls down in front of us swine". Believe me that Gingrich and his cronies think they know more than us plain folks. | I have heard him interviewed many times, I think he does know alot more than most ordinary folks....
I think part of the problem is that lots of Americans {and Canadians} are happy to have a leader {like Bush or Obama} who is a populist and thinks "just like me". Someone you could sit down with at a barbaque and have a beer and talk about baseball or football
Problem is I don't think our leaders should be "just one of the guys", I think they should be a hell of a lot smarter & more experienced than at least 90% of the people.
At the cost of having a leader that is somwhat "elitist" I would gladly take that than have a rookie in power stumbling through his first term.
To be honest Ren, I think Bush fits that description, a nice guy that simply did not have enough experience in Foreign policy & Congressional workings to be President. And Hussein Obama is even more CERTAINLY a "wet-behind-the-ears" and "not-ready-for-prime-time" candidate.
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