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06-30-2007, 05:53 PM
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Country:  | Some time ago I read 'The Walls of Jericho' by Robert Mann. Essentially a history of the "struggle for civil rights" involving Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey and Richard Russell. One comes away from this book with the 'impression' that LBJ was, in his own style, a great campaigner for civil rights- more so than Kennedy. Now..this is only 'book learn'in' in a country far, far away.
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At least it introduced me to the wonderful tactic of "filibuster"! | 
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06-30-2007, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Graeme  Some time ago I read 'The Walls of Jericho' by Robert Mann. Essentially a history of the "struggle for civil rights" involving Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey and Richard Russell. One comes away from this book with the 'impression' that LBJ was, in his own style, a great campaigner for civil rights- more so than Kennedy. Now..this is only 'book learn'in' in a country far, far away.
Not the case?
At least it introduced me to the wonderful tactic of "filibuster"! | LBJ rode on the equal rights platform and pushed through much of Kennedy's work on this for one reason - it was the popular thing to do. Johnson was as racist as they come but he knew what was going to get him elected - "Vote for me and I'll set you free."
Many liberals in the US would want Vietnam to be associated with Nixon rather than Johnson...
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07-01-2007, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Graeme Some time ago I read 'The Walls of Jericho' by Robert Mann. Essentially a history of the "struggle for civil rights" involving Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey and Richard Russell. One comes away from this book with the 'impression' that LBJ was, in his own style, a great campaigner for civil rights- more so than Kennedy. Now..this is only 'book learn'in' in a country far, far away.
Not the case?
At least it introduced me to the wonderful tactic of "filibuster"! | Great campaigner for civil rights my a**. He was just riding Jack's coattails. Everybody knew it at the time. Ask any American that was around then.
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07-01-2007, 10:23 AM
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Country: | Fly boy has it right and for a little more perspective, consider this. The democrat majority of voters until Eisenhower was elected was based on the "solid South" which was a hangover from "The War of Northern Aggression" to you the Civil War. In other words, because the party in power in the 1860s and 70s was Republican, the South voted democrat regardless of the candidate's platform because they were still mad about 1865 and the reconstruction period afterward that lasted well into the 1870s. Did you know that right after 1865, ex-confederates could not vote while Blacks could not vote in New York state and in the South, they were "voted" taken in wagons to the polls and told how to vote. At any rate Eisenhower broke the dem's hold on the South and the dems realised that they must create another "safe" voting block which turned out to be the black vote which they solidified by the civil rights act of 1865. Of course, many dems voted against it including al gore's father and the current elderly senator from W. Virginia. Ironically, today about 90% of black voters vote democrat, the party that was dominant in the South when slavery was legal. Johnson was nothing but a shrewd political opportunist and I am ashamed that he was from Texas. My Mother and Father went to college with him and he was a politician then. | |
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07-01-2007, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ LBJ rode on the equal rights platform and pushed through much of Kennedy's work on this for one reason - it was the popular thing to do. Johnson was as racist as they come but he knew what was going to get him elected - "Vote for me and I'll set you free."
Many liberals in the US would want Vietnam to be associated with Nixon rather than Johnson... | yeah, you're right. The transcripts from his years in office support that. But he wasn't as bad as the whole of the FBI. You should see how paranoid about blacks they were. | |
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07-01-2007, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich Johnson was nothing but a shrewd political opportunist and I am ashamed that he was from Texas. My Mother and Father went to college with him and he was a politician then. | What did you expect... Texas sucks!  Yeah - I said it 
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07-01-2007, 08:53 PM
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07-02-2007, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby What did you expect... Texas sucks! Yeah - I said it | From the lips of God to the rest of the world?
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07-02-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cougar32d watch out, marines arent on the top of my list of favorite people | What's the beef with Marines? Quote:
Originally Posted by drgondog From the lips of God to the rest of the world?
Why make a comment like that? | It was in jest. Rich knows that. Just like I get beat up for being from Jersey. Get it? Home state mockery is a sport in the military.
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07-02-2007, 08:28 PM
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Country: | well mkloby being army, i just had to bust your chops,a little interservice rivalry for you.......plus i live in texas! | |
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07-02-2007, 09:21 PM
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| I heard something that Texans are nothing but migrants that never made it to Oklahoma.
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07-03-2007, 09:18 AM
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07-03-2007, 10:19 AM
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Country: | Isn't politics fun! The back and forth of "He said, she said". Bush is bad because of Iraq. Yeah well FDR started WWII. Truman used the A bomb. Nixon committed murder at Kent state. yeah well, it wasn't a republican standing on the steps yelling "segragation now..." 
I tried to stay away from this thread but gonna put my 2c in. Some points of what is being debated everyone is partially correct IMHO.
The politicians of a country set the goals for a military and then must leave it up to the generals to carry out that mission until the goals are met or are changed. But the two should never confuse their respective duties. And you don't bring a toothbrush to a gunfight.
Bush, although having strong confidants such as Powell and Rice also had, somewhere, some pretty poor advisors. Dubai ports, stem cell, immigrant amnesty. Everyone is human and can make mistakes. But the 21st century world of the prez is different from say Lincoln's time. With speech writers and advisors and make-up and on and on, no prez today is really presenting his true self to the public. I keep getting the impression the GW II has an idea or an opinion but someone whispers in his ears "be careful, if you say this..."
Oh how I long for the days of Teddy!
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07-03-2007, 01:45 PM
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Country: | Lot of truth in your post Njacko, the fact is that politics and warmaking can never be separated. I absolutely agree that politicians should leave the conduct of the war to the professionals but sometimes strategy and even tactics will need to be dictated by the reality of politics. An example would be the Torch landings and the negotiations with the Vichy French. I don't know about the rest of you but I am happy that George W commuted Libby's sentence and will bet that he pardons him in the end. | |
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07-03-2007, 09:24 PM
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Country: | libby should be shot as a traitor to this country, he is scum | |
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