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07-03-2007, 10:33 PM
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07-03-2007, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cougar32d  libby should be shot as a traitor to this country, he is scum | That's a little strong. Benedict Arnold was a traitor, as was Jane Fonda, John Phillip Walker Lindh and Lynne F. Stewart . Not sure that I would put Libby on their level.
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07-03-2007, 11:56 PM
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Country: | Lets not forget Charles Lindberg.
Lets see....he should be shot for lying to a jury. I guess that goes for Clinton and he admitted it.
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07-04-2007, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre That's a little strong. Benedict Arnold was a traitor, as was Jane Fonda, John Phillip Walker Lindh and Lynne F. Stewart . Not sure that I would put Libby on their level. |
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07-04-2007, 06:09 AM
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Country:  | I always thought having an opinion and having the right to voice it was an ideal worth fighting for....
But if once you've fought for those rights, you then brand those people voicing an opinion differing to yours a traitor.. How are you any different to those people you originally fought that opposed your right to voice an opinion ?
The attitude shown by American 'patriots' towards the Dixie Chicks is a classic example of this.
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07-04-2007, 07:49 AM
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Country: | You're right bomber, I really couldn't care about The Chicks or Scooter. Lets get on with the biz of runnin the country. But ever since Watergate, politicians think the public needs a scandal and they're the White Knights against it. The problem is they're ALL a bunch of dopes and we're even worse for electing them over and over and over.
My point was that for every bad republican there can be shown a bad democrat. Scooter was just following the precedent of the previous administration. He lied or misrepresented the truth. I'm not defending him but I gotta laugh because there was less hoopla and trials over Whitewater which in my eyes was far more damaging.
As far as opinions I got no pronlem. Lets talk, debate, whatever. Just don't push and cajole and put me down for my opinion. Don't piss on me and tell me its raining.
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07-04-2007, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bomber I always thought having an opinion and having the right to voice it was an ideal worth fighting for....
But if once you've fought for those rights, you then brand those people voicing an opinion differing to yours a traitor.. How are you any different to those people you originally fought that opposed your right to voice an opinion ?
The attitude shown by American 'patriots' towards the Dixie Chicks is a classic example of this. | I was not talking about voicing differing opinions. No, the Dixie Chicks were NOT traitors, however those with differing opinions had every right to criticize them, not buy their CDs and boycott their concerts. The people I mentioned in my post (Benedict Arnold, Jane Fonda, John Phillip Walker Lindh and Lynne F. Stewart) were traitors in the very truest sense since there is no doubt that they gave aid and comfort to the enemies of this country.
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07-04-2007, 08:01 AM
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07-04-2007, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jugulator The Real Traitor is Sandy "Burglar" | YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also the DOJ scum that only charged him with a misdemeanor!
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07-04-2007, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also the DOJ scum that only charged him with a misdemeanor! | EXACTLY! Now we'll never know how bad the Clinton administration f**ked up  | |
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07-04-2007, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bomber I always thought having an opinion and having the right to voice it was an ideal worth fighting for....
But if once you've fought for those rights, you then brand those people voicing an opinion differing to yours a traitor.. How are you any different to those people you originally fought that opposed your right to voice an opinion ?
The attitude shown by American 'patriots' towards the Dixie Chicks is a classic example of this.
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Simon | Benedict Arnold was a traitor. He was the commander of West Point and offered to hand the fort over to the British for £20,000 and a commision of Brigadier General in there Army. When his plans were figured out he fled to a waiting British ship the Vulture and was commissioned as a Brigadier General.
He then fought against the US forces and later lived in London.
That is called a traitor...
Lets see Jane Fonda. She is also a traitor. Being an anti war acitivist is one thing, but to go to the country that your country is fighting against to protest. She went to the infamous Hanoi Hilton POW camp. American POWs tried to give her notes about there identities and so forth and she turned them into the Camp Commanders. When these POWs returned home and told stories of being tortured and captured. She called them liars and hypocrits on national television. No she went to far.
That is called a traitor...
The Dixie Chicks no they are not traitors but they are very distasteful in my opinion. My opinion difers from theres so am I allowed to boycot them and not buy there CD's and not like them. Yes I am and so are the other "patriots" as you call them.
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07-04-2007, 03:07 PM
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Country: | Right on, Adler, in my opinion you are 100% right. Seems a little(a lot) extreme to call Libby a traitor. Methinks some people don't know the whole story. | |
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07-04-2007, 03:13 PM
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07-04-2007, 03:17 PM
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Country: | Libby is far from a traitor, but shows what a scumbag people like him are when working in the Washington power circle.
Just to put things into perspective, this isn't an isolated case.
Patty Hearst - commuted on condition by Carter, pardoned by Clinton
Henery Cisneros - Pardoned by Clinton
Susan McDougal - Pardoned by Clinton
Caspar Weinberger - Pardoned by Bush Sr.
G. Gordon Liddy - Commuted by Carter
Richard Nixon - Pardoned by Ford
Robert E. Lee - Pardoned by Ford
Jimmy Hoffa - Commuted by Nixon
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