 | What does she actually think? Does she think?| Politics Discuss What does she actually think? Does she think? in the Current forums; With Turkey getting a hijacking by what seems to be a non terrorist Turk it's not impossible Al Qaeda ... |
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10-03-2006, 05:33 PM
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Country:  | With Turkey getting a hijacking by what seems to be a non terrorist Turk it's not impossible Al Qaeda could do the same again in some country. And if the passengers don't fight back like in this recent takeover, which suprises me, the terrorists could slam their commadeered plane into something vital again  .
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10-03-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby  I assume you are in the military due to your knowledge that the US military's ability to deal w/ other threats is "hamstrung."
Only a small percentage of the USMC is deployed at any point in time. Sure, there are quite a few troops over in Iraq - but make no mistake about it - the US can still deal w/ any threat... unless you feel that over 100,000 Marines, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, and airmen that are not deployed are incapable of effectively dealing with any threat that may occur... | No I'm not "in the military". But I am in a very good position to know whats going on. Besides, is it your position that only those in the military can have an opinion on these issues? What kind of Fascist are you?
You do realize that for each man in the feild you must have 2 men supporting him right? You also realize that for any sustained action only 1/3rd of your force can be externally deployed at any one time and that there is a need to have forces in reserve to protect our vital interests at all times right?
The fact is we are more than fully deployed right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. We certainely do not have the forces to deal with Iran or NK, let alone to scare off the Chinese should they decide now is the time to make their move on Taiwan.
BTW: I'm all for taking strong action against our foes. I just think we need to be a lot smarter about how we do it. We need to understand our enemies in order to understand how to defeat them. Trying to make them into a reflection of ourselves is just absurd, they have a lifetime of indoctrination against this.
In the end the only way we can defeat the Islamic terrorists is to get the rest of the Islamic population to do it for us. There are only two ways to achieve this; Convince the Islamic population that they will benfit significantly by subduing the terrorists or convince them that their culture will be destroyed if they do not do so.
If I'd been President Bush after 9/11 I'd either have put a small nuke down in Afghanistan (preferably a neutron bomb if we had one) or conducted a massive carpet bombing attack. I'd have made sure we obliterated the Taliban and gotten Bin Ladin. I'd have made sure the Arab-Islamic world knew the price of direct conflict with the USA. | |
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10-03-2006, 11:14 PM
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#63 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Lunatic No I'm not "in the military". But I am in a very good position to know whats going on. Besides, is it your position that only those in the military can have an opinion on these issues? What kind of Fascist are you? | Right you're not in the military dum@ss, and unless you have the experience and intimate knowledge that these guys have about their service occupation (which I know you don't) I suggest you shut the f#ck up and refrain from calling this man a Fascist or else I will bounce you the f#ck out of here in a NY minute. I hope I make my self perfectly clear!!!!
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10-04-2006, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby I just use NBC because that's what we call it in the Marines. I really am not fond of the WMD term. What is that mmfd RAF expression???
people just don't really understand the capabilities of the us military. we're not stretched beyond our limits as some might tend to say. | NBC is what we learnt to call it too. WMD is some civvy journalist's invention, as I said, probably to be able to confuse the public. Also, where does the concept stop? Was the WW2 Upkeep mine a WMD? When the dams were busted, it caused mass destruction.
MMFD - you are not the first American to be confused by this - is a location over Iraq: "What is your present location?" " Still over mike mike foxtrot delta, I'm afraid." (Miles and miles of f***ing desert.)
As for being overstretched, if you're not, you're bloody lucky, that's all I can say. Having said that, I ( stay calm!) am not convinced that US Forces are all of quite the same degree of quality (as you are a Marine, I expect you to understand that comment correctly...) And if the highest performing units are all deployed actively at the moment, then you are overstretched. It's all very well having the XXXXX National Guard in your Orbat on paper, but I'm not sure they're necessarily up to the job. Depends on outlook and training.
On the other hand, they could be very good - the British Territorial Army is first-class, as they make up for less time at work by more concentrated training and greater enthusiasm. But they are not really trained - the majority of them, that is - for the kind of job being done here and there at the moment. The Sponsored Unit types - Territorials who effectively do the same job in uniform as in civvies - are deployed very successfully in Iraq, but the teeth arms people are still at home.
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10-04-2006, 04:29 AM
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Country: | And I still wonder if extremely fast, violent, well coordinated and prepared strikes on Taliban/Al-Qaeda facilities in Afghanistan, using combined arms tactics - as in Rhodesia  - would not have been preferable to actually invading the place. It's a pig to hold, in case nobody had noticed. And I'm really not convinced that the democratic government will survive long once all our lot go home.
On the other hand, it's also correct to say that the Afghans are a little more motivated than the ZANLA/ZIPRA terrs were, and might have put up a rather more enthusiastic defence  ... Different times, different places.
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10-04-2006, 03:32 PM
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Country: | I won't dignify the fascist remark with a response. Let me inform you - you ARE NOT in a good position to know what's going on, nor are you in a good position to judge military matters. You are not present at S-2/G-2/or other military intel briefings. You do not have many of the facts regarding foreign policy, the situation in Iraq, and present circumstances!
About being stretched beyond our limit - while it is not desirable, the US has adequate forces available to DECIMATE Iran or North Korea. It may not benefit our troops quality of life with the already heavy deployment cycle - but it can be done. Consider this - the Marines can send a MEF anywhere in the littoral regions of the world within days, and that can be done without touching a single Marine presently deployed. Guess what - there'd still be another MEF ready to go here in the states... plus reserves! Army still has many units not presently engaged in theater. Air Force - many many squadrons that would vaporize the iranian af in days... let alone that power augmented by many squadrons of marine and navy pilots. If Iran or N Korea wanted a conventional war - their leaders would find themselves lacking a military before they are even hidden in their bunkers. China is much more complex - but they are not in a favorable position to seize Taiwan, politically or militarily. And don't forget - in that case it would likely be total war - far different from occupation and SASO.
And you'd have made sure you got Bin Laden after 911? Has bush been making sure he hasn't gotten him?
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10-04-2006, 03:57 PM
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#67 | | the old Sage
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Country: | question remains even with his cheap shot exucses why didn't slick Willie smoke the *ss-wipe as he had the means to do so. "we" would of done it for him but were not ordered too. Clinton had countless oppurtunities to play games with Binnie boy and his staff. the intel was and is still there, the time for cat and mouse needs to come to a close quickly and public support is wanning ........ | |
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10-04-2006, 05:10 PM
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#68 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I suggest you shut the f#ck up and refrain from calling this man a Fascist or else I will bounce you the f#ck out of here in a NY minute. I hope I make my self perfectly clear!!!! | Could not have said it better FBJ.
I see this place reverting back to what happened a year ago real soon...
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10-04-2006, 08:18 PM
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#69 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I will welcome differences of opinion, I will not tolerate a civilian calling a military officer and soon-to-be Naval Aviator a Fascist. Lunatic the ball's in your court, and by the way don't PM me on this because there is nothing to discuss - behave your self or you're out of here!!!!!
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10-04-2006, 10:34 PM
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Just wanted to let you all know that you will have to do without my services and strong opinions for a few days - planned a cross country to missouri and leaving tomorrow morning. Primary is over off to advanced training!
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10-04-2006, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Hey everybody,
Just wanted to let you all know that you will have to do without my services and strong opinions for a few days - planned a cross country to missouri and leaving tomorrow morning. Primary is over off to advanced training! | Good luck sir, may you nail those waypoints and make your ETA within minutes! 
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10-05-2006, 12:05 AM
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10-05-2006, 03:51 AM
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#73 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by mkloby Hey everybody,
Just wanted to let you all know that you will have to do without my services and strong opinions for a few days - planned a cross country to missouri and leaving tomorrow morning. Primary is over off to advanced training! | Have fun with that. Cross Country flights were allways fun to me. To bad the Marines done have any squadrons over here in Europe. The internatoinal cross country flights are the best. We did one from Germany to Kosovo (went through the Alps in Austria, to Hungary, to Croatia, to Bosnia to Kosovo), from Germany to Italy, Germany to Hungary, Germany to Poland, Germany to Denmark, Germany to France, and Germany to Belgium.
Lots of great things to see.
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10-05-2006, 02:38 PM
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Country: | When you see some of the people who call you/me/us/etc fascists, sometimes I wonder if it isn't a term of admiration in fact. I've been called a fascist on occasion, usually by lefties who had no ability to see that other people can also have an opinion. If "fascist" means "short-haired, clean-shaven and recently washed individual who stands up straight and who expresses a political opinion which I, as a dedicated Lefty, do not agree with", then it is not a term of abuse after all!
Bit I'm not really one. 
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10-05-2006, 10:24 PM
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#75 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by ndicki When you see some of the people who call you/me/us/etc fascists, sometimes I wonder if it isn't a term of admiration in fact. I've been called a fascist on occasion, usually by lefties who had no ability to see that other people can also have an opinion. If "fascist" means "short-haired, clean-shaven and recently washed individual who stands up straight and who expresses a political opinion which I, as a dedicated Lefty, do not agree with", then it is not a term of abuse after all!
Bit I'm not really one. | Sadly, the above post was not the case....
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