What should be the policy of the US as regards illegal immigrants.

[renrich]

Perhaps you saw my post re 90% of our manufacturing companies have a shortage of skilled workers such as machinists. So much so that some of them are turning down orders. That was from an article in "USA Today"

[DBII]

Sorry, I missed that. Is it a pay issue or people do not want to do the work? If Americans are not willing to do the work, I guess it is ok the let illegals come in and do it. There are skilled workers in Detroit without job and companies not able to hire workers?

The topic is something that has always bugged me. About 10 yrs ago, I had a friend that sold welding equipment, spare parts etc. He almost went out of business because there was not enough companies in the states needing repair parts. He was only able to stay in business when he started working the Internet for overseas orders. Talk about strange. The parts were made overseas, shipped here, sold overseas and shipped out. By now his buyers may have figured out they do not need him.

dbII

[renrich]

The article stated that the shortage was because many skilled workers are getting to retirement age and younger men are not coming along that have the skills to replace them. Legal or illegal immigrants would not likely have those skills also. These jobs pay upwards of 60k per year for skilled machinists. I had read an article similar to this several months ago, perhaps in the WSJ. I think the point is that the attitude of many young men today is that they all want to be bosses and not be workers. We have a shortage of skilled workers here on the western slope of Colorado for the oil boom that is going on.(actually it is natural gas)

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Easy...

1. Send them all back to Mexico or wherever they came from.

2. Close the borders and tighten who gets to come in.

3. Send all the Rednecks down to the Border and annouce Open Season.


Okay I am kidding about the Open Season part.

Ah Chris, prpoperly speaking the problem is solved if you tell the Cajuns that 'illegals are good to eat' but the season is closed!

Problem solved.
I agree with one and two, but I'm OK with a third.

Option 3. A US citizen may sponsor an Illegal on the condition a.) identified, b.) the US Citizen posts a $100,000 bond (per illegal) against medical care, tuition, legal fees, etc and replenishes the bond at $50,000, and c.) goes to jail with the illegal for any infraction the Illegal commits including tax evasion.

No excuses.

[joy17782]

OK guys what ever the cause it still does not give them the right too break united states laws and so thats my stand . i do have too amit that they do good work . but there illegal and thats the case and no amount of good work can make that go away , i think there ok people , im just saying if my grand parents had too go threw a inspection before they came in the country or got off the boat then its good enough for them , illegal and thats the conerstone .

[Njaco]

I don't think anybody is disagreeing with you Joy, just that with that as a fact, where do we go from here.

We have illegals here who are either scared or timid to work within the laws. Lets get work visa or something in place to legalize them and they can continue to do what they do.

Close the border tighter.

Fine and sanction employers who employ illegals.

Classify all these Illegal Alien Rights groups as terroeist and threatening to America, gather them up and send them to Gitmo.

What bugs me most is in addition to those benefits I listed, that my tax dollars pay for, I'm also paying for the lazy, no good, dirt bag citizen who is collecting perpetual unemployment and welfare.

[joy17782]

Yep i agree , ok but lets fine them and make them pass background checks , also as welfare goes lets stop it !!!!!! no more liveing for free !!!!! ok but im saying lets punish them for breaking the law and do background checks on all illegals sound fair ?

[Njaco]

Oh hell yeah!

and to put in perspective, check this out about how Mexico handles its illegal aliens.

VDARE.com: 05/18/06 - Memo From Mexico: More Hypocrisy: How Mexico Handles Its Own Illegal Immigration

[joy17782]

yeah i seen that the group i belong too we e mail and fax congress and the pres, almost everyone in gov , about bills and amensity and all that stuff , we have that link on are home page , see not only do i have views . but i act on my views. why bitch about something then lay on your fat carcuss and do nothing , no i try too put action in words , are local cvs store was highering there landscapeing out too a columbus area guy and all you would see was latinos doing the work well we picket ed the store and now they get there landscapeing and mowing done from a company in logan . i think if you take a towns money at least higher what you can from that town , hey it was,nt big but we got it done

[freebird]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Easy...

1. Send them all back to Mexico or wherever they came from.

2. Close the borders and tighten who gets to come in.

3. Send all the Rednecks down to the Border and annouce Open Season.


Okay I am kidding about the Open Season part.

I don't think this should be such a hard problem for the most powerful country in the world! My ideas....


1.) Build the damn fence!!!!

2.) tighten up the border. (duh)

3.) give out 1 or 2 year Z visa's to all the (non criminal) illegals, who come forward & register, then in later years re-issue only as many Z visa's as needed for the US economy. Any who fail to register or don't leave when the visa expires lose any chance for future citizenship or a visa for ever

4.) No credit for soc. security while they were illegal.

5.) The ones who stay with a Z visa must pay taxes, school & medical fees. No free ride!!

6.) Any illegal who doesn't come forward and register in the (1 month?) grace period, if caught, no second chance, straight deportation.

7.) super heavy fines for businesses that knowingly hire illegals.

8.) No "Automatic right to citizenship", the illegals who register can apply (and go to the back of the line) just like everyone else.

9.) Children of illegals born in the US are sent back with their parents, when they are 18 they can apply to become US citizens if they are not criminals, learn english etc. No more anchor babies!!


And one more interesting idea how about this....

10.) Require proof of citizenship, (or legal status in the US) to send money outside the country? {I bet if you shut down Western Union half the illegals would have to leave...}

[DBII]

Lets close the borders. I laugh everytime I hear someone say how the borders cannot be closed. I spent three years on the east/west German border and a little time on the Korean border. The border can be sealed and without using deadly force. Sure a few will find a way to get through but if the benefits are cut out why bother? Does anyone one else think that it is time for a Nationalist third party?

[renrich]

Njaco, I sign on to your plan. I think you have covered many of the issues well. For those of you who want "the fence" built. I doubt you have spent much time along the US-Mexico border and may not have a good idea of what the terrain looks like. I don't believe the image of a wall between the US and Mexico(like the Berlin Wall) is an image the USA wants. As far as Islamic Terrorists are concerned, they might be just as likely to infiltrate from the North. How would it be if we built a wall between Canada and the US.

[joy17782]

well a fence is hard too fathum but if it has too be done then why not do it , hell we are a soverign nation . terriain is no problem , the dmz in korea is doind well , i was up there for a year , and also the troops that was the assighnment, so it can be done , hell we built the dmz fence, so it can be done ,Ren ever saw the dmz fence ?

[renrich]

I served most of my time when the Berlin Wall was built but never saw it(thanks be) I have a hard time equating the border between Mexico and the US with the DMZ and Korea. What do you think that wall would do to the relations between Mexico and the US?

[Njaco]

You have to hit them at the reason why they are coming here and then there will be no need for a fence. But I agree, the examples of Korea and East Germany do sound simple. How long were those walls?