What should be the policy of the US as regards illegal immigrants.

[ToughOmbre]

If a wall on Skull Island, built by an ancient civilization, could hold out the dinosaurs and King Kong (at least before he fell in love with Ann Darrow), then we can build a wall to hold out the illegals. Add to the wall manpower and all sorts of high-tech electronic gadgetry and the bleeding will stop.

TO

[Udet]

Toughhombre...

Are u sure the U.S. has the capacity to put up a fence that would be 2,000 miles long?

How could you people compare the length of borders between North & South Korea -only a few hundred kilometers long- with that border you share with Mexico?

[renrich]

Udet, your point is well taken. Intuitively I think a wall from Brownsville to San Diego is not practical or desirable from a public relations point of view. I have hunted in some of that country and it is some of the most rugged in the world. A wall (or fence) would have to be under observation to be effective and that in of itself would be a huge problem. Having said all that, a fence in areas where infiltration is prevelant makes sense and I believe that is already either there or is under construction. The long term answer is to make it impossible for an undocumented worker to get a job. If the goal is to keep terrorists out of the US, then a wall makes no sense since one would have to be built beween the US and Canada and how do we secure our shores? The wall in East Germany was short and well policed but infiltration was still possible.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

I served most of my time when the Berlin Wall was built but never saw it(thanks be) I have a hard time equating the border between Mexico and the US with the DMZ and Korea. What do you think that wall would do to the relations between Mexico and the US?

Who cares? If they don't like it that's too bad. You will note that mexico has no problem keeping a fence on ITS southern border, and they are very tough on illegal's who cross into mexico, they kick 'em out

Originally Posted by Udet

Toughhombre...

Are u sure the U.S. has the capacity to put up a fence that would be 2,000 miles long?

How could you people compare the length of borders between North & South Korea -only a few hundred kilometers long- with that border you share with Mexico?

Are you kidding???? A Country that styles itself as the most powerful nation on earth can't seem to figure out how to build a fence?

And the fence is only really needed for about 800 miles, in from San Diego to Las Cruces N.M., as the rest of the distance is separated by the Rio Grande

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

If a wall on Skull Island, built by an ancient civilization, could hold out the dinosaurs and King Kong (at least before he fell in love with Ann Darrow), then we can build a wall to hold out the illegals. Add to the wall manpower and all sorts of high-tech electronic gadgetry and the bleeding will stop.

TO

Better figure it out quick TO, or your kids will all be living in Greater Mexico {extending from the 49th parallel down}

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Udet

Toughhombre...

Are u sure the U.S. has the capacity to put up a fence that would be 2,000 miles long?

How could you people compare the length of borders between North & South Korea -only a few hundred kilometers long- with that border you share with Mexico?

A secure border does not necessarily mean a "fence". Depending on the lay of the land and other factors (i.e. accessibility), the security of the border would be a combination of fence, wall, electronic equipment, increased manpower and/or a combination of all. 1200 miles of the border is the Rio Grande River, a majority of the border which could be secured without a wall/fence.

As for the other 800 miles, I think we have the "capacity" to put up a wall/fence.

Just don't get hung up on the word "fence". We have the capacity to secure the border with whatever it takes.

And since the U.S.–Mexico border has the highest number of both legal and illegal crossings of any land border in the world, it's got to be done, regardless of cost. Will be a bargain in the long run.

TO

[renrich]

I don't believe the US wants to have any more of an advesarial relationship with Mexico than it already has. A true fence would exacerbate that relationship just like it would if we built a fence between us and Canada. During much of the year the Rio Grande poses no barrier. One can just wade across it and many do. That is the reason for the term "wetback"

[Njaco]

I understand the talk about fences or walls and how Mexico figures into the whole equation but don't count out Asians hidden on ships and Haitians and Cubans, etc. When talking about illegal aliens, it shouldn't be a tunnel vision affair on latinos. Its ANYBODY who violates our borders.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

I don't believe the US wants to have any more of an advesarial relationship with Mexico than it already has. A true fence would exacerbate that relationship just like it would if we built a fence between us and Canada. During much of the year the Rio Grande poses no barrier. One can just wade across it and many do. That is the reason for the term "wetback"

Ask some of the non-US citizens what they think... I for one have no problem with a fence, its not like you need a 30 foot high Berlin wall!!! A double row of10 foot high chain link would be a start, with sensors along it & border patrol every half mile or whatever. I honestly can't think of anything that Mexico would think of doing other that whine & protest. Now if Mexico was your largest oil supplier, things might be different (they aren't by the way, Canada is the USA's largest supplier!) A foreign government that prints a guidebook on how to illegally enter the USA? I wouldn't worry too much about offending them, I wouldn't exactly call them friendly

[joy17782]

freebird your right !!!!!! i think who cares about what other people think of us, and also who gives a damn about mexico , do they pay my taxes too take care of illegal aliens , if you enter the us illegally you break the law nomatter who you are , and the fence well people it going too get done americans are tierd of the illegalS and are members of congress and the senate know this its a hot topic, and wait untill the elections , it will get done , and since were in a ression weres the illegals going too find work there cutting budgets all along the board , i dont know people, but i think this subject will get hotter and hotter , and its comeing too a head , ill vote on the pres, as long as he or her is tough on all ilegals

[wilbur1]

I live in a hot bed of illegals, and to tell you the truth.....i'm done tryin to be nice to them. I tried to get job in mexico, absolutly immpossible,tried to rent an apartment , tried to buy a house, guess what if your an a american you cant! FU*K THEM AND THE HORSE THEY STOLE TO GET HERE!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have no problem with immigration at at all. It has to be done legal however.

You have to enter the country in a legal manner. Yeah it is a lot of paper work and a bitch to do (I know because my wife is going though it right now, because she is a German national and we are starting to prep for our move to Alaska), but the point is you have to get a damn Green Card!

You have to pay taxes and contribute to society.

You have to be willing to learn our national language: English not Spanish. Its great to be bilingual. I speak two languages, my wife speaks 2 and almost 3. I want my kids to know 2 or 3 languages, however the national language is English. Learn it!

[freebird]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I have no problem with immigration at at all. It has to be done legal however.

You have to enter the country in a legal manner. Yeah it is a lot of paper work and a bitch to do (I know because my wife is going though it right now, because she is a German national and we are starting to prep for our move to Alaska), but the point is you have to get a damn Green Card!

You have to pay taxes and contribute to society.

You have to be willing to learn our national language: English not Spanish. Its great to be bilingual. I speak two languages, my wife speaks 2 and almost 3. I want my kids to know 2 or 3 languages, however the national language is English. Learn it!

Don't lose your German passports Chris, you are moving to a USA that in another decade or two we might not even recognize.

I will probably get slammed by some of the Americans here, but I don't think things look good for the USA, if you don't solve this problem fast it will soon be too late. The fact that the birthrate among illegals is almost double that of US citizens, while their children grow up in an environment where their parents consider USA to be a suburb of Mexico.

Der Adler's comment is exactly right, immigrants should learn English, but I think in another 10 years you will be English/Spanish in the USA. How long is it before there are 10 - 20 million illegals given amnesty, and your Democratic polititions can pander to them by making Spanish an official language?

Nor is this an anti-Spanish rant either, there is nothing wrong with immigrants, as long as they are legal. When you have people in the US who don't respect your borders, your laws or your values, and this group is growing every year while some polititians work to give citizenship to them, you are setting yourself up for a disaster.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by freebird

Don't lose your German passports Chris, you are moving to a USA that in another decade or two we might not even recognize.

I do not have a German Passport.

I am an American Citizen. I was born in Germany and lived in Germany for much of my life. My father is American and my mother is German. I have lived for many years in the United States and many years in Germany. Until I was 18 I had dual citizenship but I only have US citizenship now.

I joined the US Army and was even stationed in Germany (because I wanted to be stationed there) and did my whole time stationed in Germany (except for a tour to Kosovo and a tour to Iraq). I got out of the Army and stayed here in Germany while my wife finishes her college here in Germany.

My wife is German and does not have a US Passport. She does not want to become a US Citizen and I dont want her to become a US Citizen. I married a German not an American.

We do however want to move to Alaska and she wants to be a tax paying resident with a Green Card, which we are working on right now.

[Arsenal VG-33]

My mother is French and my father is American. Because in my childhood, we moved frequently between both countries, they thought it would best I should have 2 passports, seeing how both France and the US have the mutual agreements between their respective governments to allow that.

So, when I turned 18, I wadded up the greencard application and threw it in the trash. Since I already had a US social security # through my dad, I simply applied for a US passport. After everything checked through, I recieved my US passport. Since that time I've had dual citizenship and I can only imagine how it's made my life a heck of a lot easier too.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would love to get my German Passport back as well and be a dual citizen again. I dont know if it is allowed for Germany/America now.