What should be the policy of the US as regards illegal immigrants.

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I would love to get my German Passport back as well and be a dual citizen again. I dont know if it is allowed for Germany/America now.

It's worth looking into. I would be very surprised if dual-citizenship was not allowed between Germany and the US. It would be interesting to know with what other countries dual-citizenry is allowed with the US.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I would love to get my German Passport back as well and be a dual citizen again. I dont know if it is allowed for Germany/America now.

Speaking of Dual citizenship.... I want to apply for a British passport, but apparently they only take radical Islamists chanting "Death to America" {and death to Britain, and Bush, and Tony Blair, yadda yadda}

My mother was British born, came to Canada & married in 1960. The laws at the time considered her as "chattel" of the husband, she lost her British citizenship. She now has a British passport again, but I cannot get one because I was born before 1983.

Interestingly, if it was my father who moved to Canada, I would have an automatic right to British citizenship, regardless of the birthdate, even if he had given his up to become Canadian.

Talk about sexism...

[pbfoot]

I worked in the CAF with a duel citizen Captain the the CWO asked him if Canada and Germany ever went to war again what side he'd be on after a slight delay with no response from the commisioned one the the CWO said you took too long I would shot you. I don't care for dual citizens its sort of like being gay or hetero

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I worked in the CAF with a duel citizen Captain the the CWO asked him if Canada and Germany ever went to war again what side he'd be on after a slight delay with no response from the commisioned one the the CWO said you took too long I would shot you. I don't care for dual citizens its sort of like being gay or hetero

That thought allways crossed my mind and I would have allways sided the US in a war against Germany.

That is why I gave up my German citizenship. I was conscripted into the German Army when I was 18 and I dropped my my dual citizenship so I did not have to.

Dont take me wrong though, I love Germany and my German herritage. I like to consider myself a German whos blood runs Red, White, and Blue.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

I don't believe the image of a wall between the US and Mexico(like the Berlin Wall) is an image the USA wants.

Image be damned, if you guys don't fix your border you might as well just join up with Mexico.

Originally Posted by wilbur1

I live in a hot bed of illegals, and to tell you the truth.....i'm done tryin to be nice to them. I tried to get job in mexico, absolutly immpossible,tried to rent an apartment , tried to buy a house, guess what if your an a american you cant! FU*K THEM AND THE HORSE THEY STOLE TO GET HERE!

I'm sitting at the Mexican border right now. I was in San Antonio yesterday, great city, the "Riverwalk" has a nice "European Riviera" atmosphere to it.

I crossed the Mexican border today, lots of buildings falling apart, heaps of trash in the streets, derelict cars parked on all the streets. The police chief quit after 8 months, nobody wants the job since the last one was assasinated on his first day on the job. The drug gangs are running rampant, there are army troops manning the border checkpoint bcause the police can't handle it. I wonder if their country will become more like yours, or will yours become more like theirs?

Police chief murdered on 1st day

I went into a supermarket, the girl didn't speak any english and the signs were only in Spanish. She called a manager {he barely spoke english} so they had to call another girl to tranlate for me. What the heck is a pastel de calabaza? pastel de manzana? ???

{Stupid pasty-skinned gringo no comprende de espanyol}
Anyways the kicker is that this was a supermarket not in Mexico but in the good 'ol U. S. of A!

By the way you should see the hardware on the Mexican APC that the troops were sitting on, that must have been at least a freakin' 20 mm cannon on it! It was way bigger than a 50 cal. What the heck are they expecting to show up?

[Jank]

Click on "Philip Martin" for an explanation of the myth of expensive fruits and vegetables if illegal immigrants weren't there to pick produce.

Philip Martin is Professor of Agricultural Economics, University of California, Davis and is perhaps the most revered authority on agricultural economics.

Center for Immigration Studies

"The third is, the third point is, regardless of what we do in terms of an agricultural guestworker program, the average consumer won't notice it. And I'll run through the numbers. But the thing to ask yourself is, are you typical or not? The average consumer unit -- we don't have "families" anymore, we have "consumer units" (laughter). The average consumer unit in the United States is two-and-a-half people, 1.9 cars, and spends $7 a week on fresh fruits and vegetables. Now, of course, the $7 you spend at Safeway on fresh fruits and vegetables do not all go to farmers. In fact, only about . . . even though those strawberries are picked right into the little plastic containers, farmers only get about 18 cents on the dollar. So they get about 20 percent of the retail price of fresh fruits and vegetables. And, of course, farmers don't give all that money to farm workers; they give about a third of their revenue to farm workers. So therefore, on a one-dollar head of lettuce, the farmer is getting about 17, 18 cents; the worker is getting about 6 cents. So therefore, when you think about what's going to happen to the cost of food, I mean keep in mind, if wages were zero, you would save 6 cents on a head of lettuce. So regardless of what happens, you don't eat enough lettuce to really get rich because wages are low. I mean, the reason we have low food costs is because we have high incomes and very productive land, not because wages are low."

[ToughOmbre]

Speaking of illegal immigrants...

Illegal Immigrant Charged With Homicide in Deadly Minnesota School Bus Crash

Friday, February 22, 2008

MINNEAPOLIS — A woman who authorities say is in the country illegally and using an alias was charged Friday with four counts of criminal vehicular homicide and two lesser charges in a school bus crash that killed four children.

A woman who identified herself as Alianiss Nunez Morales, 23, of Minneota, was driving a van that failed to stop at a stop sign Tuesday before hitting a bus carrying 28 students from Lakeview School, Lyon County Attorney Richard Maes said. The accident happened near the small town of Cottonwood, in southwestern Minnesota.

Morales was also charged with a stop sign violation and for driving without a valid license, Maes said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are trying to figure out the woman's true identity. Claude Arnold, ICE special agent in charge of investigations, said his agency believes Morales is an illegal immigrant. ICE has filed paperwork to detain her for deportation proceedings after the criminal case is resolved.

"The only name we have for her is the name she gave us when she was booked," Arnold said, adding that the woman told authorities she was from Mexico.

Arnold said ICE would continue to investigate her identity.

"We're going to do everything in our power and authority to ensure justice is served in this case," he said.

Morales does not have a Minnesota driver's license, and "she doesn't have a (driver's license) anywhere that we're aware of," said Lt. Mark Peterson of the Minnesota State Patrol.

According to the criminal complaint filed Friday, Morales used an interpreter to tell police that she stopped at the stop sign.

"She stated that she stopped for the stop sign and that when she took off, the bus hit her," according to a statement of probable cause.

Morales also told police she was driving to Norcraft Cabinetry, where she had been working for a month, and that it was her first time on County Road 24.

The bus driver and at least one motorist said Morales did not stop at the stop sign, court documents said. The bus driver, Dennis Devereaux, told police it appeared the van wasn't going to stop, and "he did not have time to hit the brakes or accelerate."

The criminal vehicular homicide charges are felonies, each punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine. The other charges are misdemeanors.

Morales was expected to make her first appearance in court Friday.

Two brothers, the daughter of a teacher at Lakeview school and the son of a former Lakeview teacher were killed in the crash.

Six people, five of them students, remain hospitalized at Avera McKennan Hospital & University Health Center in Sioux Falls, S.D. One student was due to go home later Friday, spokesman Kenyon Gleason said. Two other students were in fair condition and two were serious; the adult at the hospital was in fair condition.

Another student remains hospitalized at Mayo Clinic in fair condition.

School will be canceled Monday as funeral services for Hunter Javens, 9, and Jesse Javens, 13, are held there. Visitation for the brothers will take place at the school Sunday from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. and Monday from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m., with the funeral service following.

Visitation for Emilee Olson, 9, was set for Saturday from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. and Sunday from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. at Christ Lutheran Church in Cottonwood. A funeral service is set for 2 p.m. Sunday at the church.

Arrangements for Reed Stevens, 12, of Marshall, were pending with Rehkamp and Horvath Funeral Directors.

TO

[Bucksnort101]

TO, that's been the headlines on the local news up here since it happened. Terrible tradgedy. I hate to say it, but when I first heard this on the news I suspected that it was an illegal Alien (i do not use the term illegal immagrant).

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Bucksnort101

TO, that's been the headlines on the local news up here since it happened. Terrible tradgedy. I hate to say it, but when I first heard this on the news I suspected that it was an illegal Alien (i do not use the term illegal immagrant).

Buck, A heartbreaking story to be sure. I didn't know it was an illegal until I saw this article today. Just didn't associate illegals with Minnesota, naive on my part. They're all over the damn place. Illegal alien is a better name, with illegal the key word.

TO

[Njaco]

That headline has been repeated for years now. Lets make them legal so they can properly break the law.