Are you a Republican or Democrat?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-09-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

Blame Bush for all my problems? koo koo that is. Never said it. Liberals are in on it too if it makes you fell better... & please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't blame the government for everything, I said they were involved in destroying education, & what I have posted so far proves me right.

Never said you were one of those people. I did not put fricken words in your mouth, therefore stop changings the meanings of the words that I write. This thread does not revolve around you.

Chief · 08-09-2006, 04:24 PM

It's always some internation/national conspiracy hidden in the government. Making the american people do eveything while the government lies. you ever notice that. That way somebodies always wrong and it keeps money in the politicians pocket.
Oh...wait maybe your right. only the other way around. You ever think of that.

evangilder · 08-09-2006, 05:59 PM

Again it comes down to the parents. I once had a teacher tell me that my son should go on Ritalin. I looked that teacher straight in the eye and asked "Are you a doctor?" She said "No". Then I inquired as to how she could make that diagnosis and also asked her if the school board was aware that she was trying to diagnose children without a doctorate or a medical license. That was the end of that.

There was a short adjustment period for my son to get into the routine of school, and after that short period, he did fine. WITHOUT RITALIN. So I will say it again, it is up to the parents. If they are lazy and take the lazy approach out, then they shouldn't blame the government, or the drug companies, or the school for their failings.

I know of several school districts that have improved their educational achievements and are seeing the scholastic test scores rising. If the government is destroying education, then how can some districts have test scores going up? It's not about the government, it is about the parents involvement with the school districts and the PTA to bring about positive change.

Larry Bejayna · 08-09-2006, 06:56 PM

What some of you are not understanding is opt outs are being taken away. For instance, the new gay teachings bill in California offers no opt out for the parents.

& as lined out above, the mental health screening/evaluation is often done without parental consultation or consent.

Therefore, it is not "just" the parents here, it is very much state & fed governments being involved. & give this some thought, the expert psychiatrist decides your kid has some disease, ( does so without your consent ), then decides Ritalin a good idea, you then say no. You then get labelled a bad parent by the education board.

Where does it go from there?

& Adler, this...

No Larry I did not get that. I am not one of those people that blames Bush for all of my problems because I can not admit to them myself and fix them myself.

Was aimed at me.

P.S. Very good job Evan. Unfortunately many parents are not so wise as are you, the result is thousands of kids on psychotropics, that cannot choose a career in the military, & likely will have some sort of brain atrophy.

So if it weren't enough that the parents pay taxes that cover the schooling, they then have to defend the child against state/fed governments and the cronies & politicians who are on the advisory boards or payroll of the drug companies.

evangilder · 08-09-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

Therefore, it is not "just" the parents here, it is very much state & fed governments being involved. & give this some thought, the expert psychiatrist decides your kid has some disease, ( does so without your consent ), then decides Ritalin a good idea, you then say no. You then get labelled a bad parent by the education board.

I think that is a bit overly simplistic. You can easily get a second opinion from another psychiatrist outside of the school district. Anytime anything that involves pharmaceuticals or surgery for my child, a second opinion is always in order.

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

P.S. Very good job Evan. Unfortunately many parents are not so wise as are you, the result is thousands of kids on psychotropics, that cannot choose a career in the military, & likely will have some sort of brain atrophy.

Again I respectfully disagree. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of families, and we all are actively involved in what our children do and how they are taught. But then, that may be why the school district where we are consistently scores well above the state average on scholastic tests.

Larry Bejayna · 08-09-2006, 07:24 PM

TeenScreen: One Family’s Story [Warning: Firmly affix duck tape to head before reading]
The Rutherford Institute ^ | 8/22/05 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 08/24/2005 5:44:07 AM PDT by dukeman

When 15-year-old Chelsea Rhoades left for school early one day last December, her family expected it to be just another normal, uneventful day at one of Indiana’s premier public high schools. But school officials had slightly different plans.

When Chelsea arrived in her school homeroom that day, her teacher directed everyone who did not have an opt-out slip to another classroom. Only five students had slips. The rest, who had no idea what the teacher was talking about, were divided into groups of 10-15, herded into classrooms and placed in front of computers. Chelsea, who was busy helping a friend in a wheelchair get situated in front of a computer, barely registered what she was signing when a form was placed in front of her. No explanations were issued. At least, none that Chelsea can recall. All she knew was that she was about to take a test. What she didn’t know was that the test, made up of yes-and-no questions with no room for alternate answers or explanations, is part of a TeenScreen mental health screening program for suicide and social disorders that is being implemented in schools across the country, often without parental knowledge or consent.

Labelling a child as having some sort of mental disease is a horrible thing to do. It attaches a stigma that can have longlasting negative effect.

So the parents in your neighborhood have their lights on, very good, but the numbers don't lie, the number of children on psychotropics has skyrocketed in last 10 years. That is the reality.

pbfoot · 08-09-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

TeenScreen: One Family’s Story [Warning: Firmly affix duck tape to head before reading]
The Rutherford Institute ^ | 8/22/05 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 08/24/2005 5:44:07 AM PDT by dukeman

When 15-year-old Chelsea Rhoades left for school early one day last December, her family expected it to be just another normal, uneventful day at one of Indiana’s premier public high schools. But school officials had slightly different plans.

When Chelsea arrived in her school homeroom that day, her teacher directed everyone who did not have an opt-out slip to another classroom. Only five students had slips. The rest, who had no idea what the teacher was talking about, were divided into groups of 10-15, herded into classrooms and placed in front of computers. Chelsea, who was busy helping a friend in a wheelchair get situated in front of a computer, barely registered what she was signing when a form was placed in front of her. No explanations were issued. At least, none that Chelsea can recall. All she knew was that she was about to take a test. What she didn’t know was that the test, made up of yes-and-no questions with no room for alternate answers or explanations, is part of a TeenScreen mental health screening program for suicide and social disorders that is being implemented in schools across the country, often without parental knowledge or consent.

Labelling a child as having some sort of mental disease is a horrible thing to do. It attaches a stigma that can have longlasting negative effect.

So the parents in your neighborhood have their lights on, very good, but the numbers don't lie, the number of children on psychotropics has skyrocketed in last 10 years. That is the reality.

so what happened to chelsea

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-10-2006, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

What some of you are not understanding is opt outs are being taken away. For instance, the new gay teachings bill in California offers no opt out for the parents.

Who cares gays are people too.

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

& as lined out above, the mental health screening/evaluation is often done without parental consultation or consent.

Therefore, it is not "just" the parents here, it is very much state & fed governments being involved. & give this some thought, the expert psychiatrist decides your kid has some disease, ( does so without your consent ), then decides Ritalin a good idea, you then say no. You then get labelled a bad parent by the education board.

They may be doing screenings, but they can not put your children on drugs with out parental consent. Therefore it is the parents fault for not wanted to take part in there childrens health, welfare and education. Period!

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

& Adler, this...

No Larry I did not get that. I am not one of those people that blames Bush for all of my problems because I can not admit to them myself and fix them myself.

Was aimed at me.

No I was saying that I am not one of those people. No where did I say you were one. Again, dont change the meanings of my words, this thread does not revolve around you.

plan_D · 08-10-2006, 06:19 AM

I see what Larry is saying concerning force-teaching people about Gays. Why should I have to learn about Gays, Blacks, Muslims, Jews or any other type that isn't "my own" when there's no such lesson devoted to White Atheist European.

I wouldn't want my child being force fed homosexual information. They don't need to know about "Gay Rights" and what not. Sure, they're people too. But has no one ever thought that homosexuality is a mental illness - why would nature (Or which ever God you believe in) want two of the same gender to be attracted to each other? The only reason living beings exist is to breed and recreate their genes over and over again so the species survive. Something has gone wrong when two people want to "mate" when they can't make babies. And frankly, I don't want my child thinking mental illness should be accepted without treatment. If all mental illnesses could be cured, we'd cure 'em ... why not homosexuality!? Next we'll be saying paedophiles are alright, you can't oppress them for liking the looks of a young child !

lesofprimus · 08-10-2006, 06:31 AM

If some school district was trying to teach my young, impressionable child about gay-rights, I would remove him from public school and either home school him or send him to private school...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-10-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

If some school district was trying to teach my young, impressionable child about gay-rights, I would remove him from public school and either home school him or send him to private school...

And that is what I have been saying the whole time. The education of your children is the responsibility of the parents.

Larry Bejayna · 08-10-2006, 02:27 PM

& some parents can't afford that. In fact one school had a situation where a gay teacher was teaching the class about his life, the parents got upset, a court case ensued where the judge ruled in favor of the gay man & ordered the kids back to class. Proving it is more than just the parents that are involved. Period.

& the no opt out for the new bill in California again creates havoc for the poor parents in the state who cannot afford private school, or have daytime jobs & do not have the ability to homeschool.

ChoirBoy · 08-10-2006, 04:03 PM

I'm not American but if I were I'd be.......PRESIDENT 'ahem' Republican of course 'cause Democrats are really commies in disguise.

Larry Bejayna · 08-10-2006, 05:11 PM

You are right in principle Adler, it is the resonsibility of the parent to be sure the child gets a good education, but that is not what is taking place. More & more state & fed governments think they are responsible for it.

Who cares? gays are people too, well the point is, the governmnet has no right, ( state or fed ), to force feed your child what they believe is in the childs best interests regarding morals etc. Why? because they didn't create the child, or change it's diapers at midnite & so on . No different regarding prayer in schools. they have no right to feed that to your kid.

Your rights as a parent are dwindling. Your point about "so what they screen your kid, but you can say no to drugs", is very weak. The child is damaged by the labeling, unsually bogus labelling. & your rights to say no to that are being circumvented.

Erich · 08-10-2006, 05:12 PM

Plan think diversity classes in high school. Yes even in my dark woods of s. Oregon they have classes such as these and in some day I feel they will be required before graduation. man how the world has de-generated since my time in High school. So glad my daughter decided to teach her daughters through home schooling.