Are you a Republican or Democrat?

Erich · 05-23-2006, 06:29 PM

Hunter it is unavoidable, life isn't fair. consider the non well-meaning rich kid at the end of the block with 2 maid servants, never working a day in his life living beyond any reason or expectations while other grunt all day long as you have mentioned. sounds like an old fairy tale but it continues today. almost reminds me of some the so-called star reality TV programs. what a bunch of pussies

Delusional · 05-23-2006, 06:29 PM

Administrators here are definitely overpaid. Our assistant superintendent (and what the **** does he do?) makes $120,000 a year! They gave him a $10,000 raise when our school is $1.2 million in debt! Doesn't make sense to me.

Delusional · 05-23-2006, 06:32 PM

I disagree with your post, Hunter. I know a lot of people who work as carpenters, and during the winter, they recieve government services, since little work is available to them. I don't think they should have to shovel dog **** just because they work their asses off only during the spring, summer, and fall. Sure, a lot of people abuse the system, but that doesn't make the system broken. People are always going to abuse any system.

Delusional · 05-23-2006, 06:34 PM

Oh, and to answer your question, Hunter, no I do not have any children. I am a child myself.

Erich · 05-23-2006, 06:36 PM

screw unions ! ok I know the rocks are coming. Been there done that in the 1970's when back home through minimal work then back someplace else(s)

personally I would like to make it ordered for all teachers of all schools to pay some serious time out in the hills and amongst nature, and no I'm not smoking bad doobie

Erich · 05-23-2006, 06:38 PM

Del if the administrators make that much then it is the people above him that need to screw him and the educational system over, by cleaning house of the riff-raff, and that dear is you and your parents, grandparents, familie and friends in your community

Hunter368 · 05-23-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

I disagree with your post, Hunter. I know a lot of people who work as carpenters, and during the winter, they recieve government services, since little work is available to them. I don't think they should have to shovel dog **** just because they work their asses off only during the spring, summer, and fall. Sure, a lot of people abuse the system, but that doesn't make the system broken. People are always going to abuse any system.

Here you are talking bout seasonal workers (some of them). Depends when you live but here they CAN collect Employment Insurance. That is a form of subsidies that USA and Canada have fought over before in certain areas of our economies.

Here is alittle scene for you, you tell me if this is fair.

My company say employees construction workers I bid on a job to do it. I say well I have to pay my guys only $15.00 hours and they work only 8 months a years, the rest of the time they are collecting EI. So I bid on a job keeping in mind my labor costs are.

You who live in USA are bidding on the same job. But your guys who can't collect EI (or whatever USA calls it) during the off season, you have to pay them $20.00 hour b/c they can't collect EI. You bid on the job keeping in mind your labor costs.

Most times I will win that job b/c I have lower labor costs. Or at the very least you will make less margin on the job if you actually win it. So your margin for errors while doing the job just got alot thinner.

So do I think they should have to shovel dog crap during the off season? No never said that either. They should be paid accordingly as per the fact they might be working only 8 months of the year (so as a ie that might mean paying a worker $20 per hour instead of $15 per hour). But they should not be able to collect EI either just b/c it is the off season. Then if they WANT to shovel dog crap or whatever else they want during the off season that is their choice. It would make things alot fairer.

Do all people abuse the system? no I never said that (look at my post). But alot of them do, they are who I am talking about (like I said in my first post). I hate people who abuse the system to their benefit or that are free loaders. Thats all I have said.

ps My Dad was a carpenter his whole life. I am a Logistics Manager who has done nothing but blue collar work my whole life. I started from knowing nothing. Bottom man on the totem pole to now I am the top guy. I have earned ever thing I have by working hard. Working 2-3 jobs at a time for years, working full time while going to school to further my education so I don't have to bust my back until I am 60 years old. I know what hard work is, I have been doing it my whole life. I still work 18-19 guys into the ground in my warehouse. They wine and ***** for breaks or its too hot or its too cold or I tired blah blah blah. They don't know what hard work is, I do. Hell as a kid I was helping my Dad build houses on weekends when I was 10 old. If you say you are a kid now, enjoy ever day you have, b/c when you turn 18 or move out of Mom and Dad's place or have them stop paying for things for you. Then you have to pay for everything and if you can't oh well bank takes it away. No one in the REAL world cares whether you live or dies, you have to fight and claw for everything you get. Thats life, thats tough. If life you have to do what you have to to survive, simple as that, get a job. If its a crappy job, well some job is better then none. If it sucks more incentive for you to find a better job or get more education so you don't have to do that crappy job. Just don't wine about to me. I put in my time and hard work to get where I am today, no one gave me anything for free.

I am all for blue collar workers, don't ever suggest I am not. My hands are like stones b/c of hard work all my life. But what I am for is people earning their keep, not free loaders.

If a person is a free loader, they are no better in my eyes then dirt. Worst then dirt even b/c I have to pay for them to sit on their azz all day. They are a waste of air.

pbfoot · 05-23-2006, 07:47 PM

i can only speak on how i feel but teachers work and I'll be generous 7 hours a day for 180 days a year in North America get every holiday known to man long summer vacations.But an even bigger waste of our tax dollar is the fact the schools are unused for the same period of time the days where people needed the kids in the summer for the farm and harvest are history schools should run the whole year through with 4 2 week breaks plus holidays . Teachers should also be paid according to how well their students perform this would get rid of the teachers which just put in time and they are the majority

Delusional · 05-23-2006, 11:22 PM

How do we have control of who is assistant superintendent? We don't hire them. As far as what they are paid, no amount of complaints and picketing seems to affect their pay. I think I might start a thread about unions....

Well, sorry if it wasn't clear, Hunter, but I was questioning Les about whether or not all users abuse the system. I never accused you of saying such a thing, so sorry if it seemed like I did.

What if an unexpected expense comes up during the off-season for which the worker did not plan? Are they screwed simply because they will have no source of income in time to deal with their problem? Is that fair?

Well, I am 18, and I am moving out (well, into a dorm room, at least). I realize the responsibilities ahead of me, and I hope to deal with them well. I will have to work at least 20 hours a week while in school to make ends meet. This will mean two jobs (work-study and a part time job). Anyway, like you eluded to, it's worth it. I've worked during the summers for 6 years (so since I was 12), including two summers of detasseling...oi. Currently, I care for three children for nine hours a day, five days a week. I'm no stranger to a bit of work, though not on the scale that you have described, Hunter. I admire your obvious work ethic. My family hasn't always had it easy, either. We were below the poverty line for 6 years of my life.

Teachers work for 8-9 hours a day. They are required to arrive early and stay late. Many coach or sponser activities for free, meaning they work even longer. During our theatre productions, our directors (who worked for free) were at the school for 12-14 hours a day. They work for at least 190 days (counting teachers' institutes and parent-teacher conferences), and they do not get every holiday known to man. We don't even get Martin Luther King Jr. Day off. They get a long summer vacation with no pay (unless they elect to receive less pay the 8 months that they work so that the receive a paycheck during the summer). Year-round schooling is a good idea. Many schools have started this. My 7 year old cousin goes to school year-round. Saying that teachers' pay should depend on students' performances is just crazy. It is not the teacher's fault if a student just doesn't care and doesn't apply themselves. Why penalize the teacher? Some teachers do the best they can with the students they have. Your strategy would mean that teachers who work with students with learning, developmental, or behavioral disorders would probably automatically get paid less. Your idea is as stupid as No Child Left Behind. In fact, did you think of that for Bush? School funding depends on test scores. Your students score better, you get more money, despite the fact that you obviously don't need that money as much as other schools whose students are scoring poorly. Sorry if I offended you on my little tangent, pb, but this subject is very near and dear to my heart. Didn't mean to be a jerk, if I was.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-24-2006, 01:57 AM

Teachers are underpaid atleast in most areas that I know of. Especially in the inner cities where they have to worry about some piece of **** gang member shooting or stabbing them while they are trying to teach them something. As someone who is soon starting a family with my wife, I want the teachers of my children to be paid the best that they can. I want my children to recieve the best possible education they can because I want my children to have it better than I do.

pbfoot · 05-24-2006, 06:36 AM

Teachers in my neck of the woods start off at 38000/yr climbing to 70000 for 180 days thats a lot of money from watching the high school across the road they arrive at about 8:30 and the parking lot is empty at 3:30 every teacher is entitled to lunch and 1 free period . They also have a great retirement program after 25 years in Ontario their pension fund is the largest in Canada . Now I think the teaching profession is a noble profession and good teachers are worth all the money but most teachers are useless everyone of us can recall the good teachers we had but the number of good teachers was dwarfed by the number of teachers just passing time have you ever heard of a teacher being let go because they were'nt up to snuff it wouldn't happen here because of the strength of the teachers union .This quote states it best "those that can do and those that can't teach" not to slur those rare teachers that actually care

plan_D · 05-24-2006, 08:25 AM

Teachers in Britain are £30,000 - 60,000 a year, that's plenty enough. They start on £21,000 a year when in training. They are overpaid and the vast majority merely attend rather than teach.

I agree with pb's point of view, the vast majority of teachers do not deserve to be in that position. This, unfortunately, paints all the decent teachers black. And something needs to be done.

It would not be hard to test a teacher on his ability. I could take my own school career as an example. In the courses I taught well, and I can remember having a good teacher (English, Maths and P.E) I did well. Even when, in Maths I was generally talking and messing around but the my teacher put the effort in to make me listen - normally after lesson so he didn't disrupt everyone else. Where I had awful teachers, most notable in German, in which it was a rare occasion to actually hear German, I got a G (G for German!). Even when I was screwing around, when encouraged by the teacher I managed to pull off good grades (without studying one bit, haha!).

Delusional · 05-24-2006, 11:51 AM

Well, the pay and hours are very different in your area, then, pb. The retirement program for our teachers here sucks. In fact, that's why our teachers went on strike. They were on strike for 3 days.

Maybe I was lucky with the five schools that I've attended in my life, but I don't think that the majority of teachers are there just to pass the time. I agree with you on the strength of teachers' unions, though.

Well, yes, I think testing teachers is a good idea. They don't do that here, but teachers are required to take a few classes every now and again (I don't know the actual requirements, as far as numbers). And they have to renew their teaching licenses, of course. It seems many foreign language teachers aren't quite up to par. Don't even get me started on my Spanish teacher....

Hunter368 · 05-24-2006, 01:35 PM

Delusional,

I did not take offense to your comments. But like I said before the people I hate are not seasonal employees or people who really are trying to get a job. I hate people who just sit there and say there is no jobs or I am better than that job, etc to them I say b*llshit. I am the top man at my job and paid very highly to do it, but I still pick up garbage off the floors, swipe the floors, unload containers that hold 50,000 lbs worth of steel by hand, etc. I don't have to do that, I have guys that do that, but I want to help out.

We had a TV reporter in our city who did a funny little story. This is what he did, he was tried of all the people who said there is no jobs out there etc. So what he did was this:

Packed a lunch in a paper bag. Took $3.00 in change to ride the city bus. Then he went out to see how many places he could find in one day that were hiring and put in his resume at. Do know how many places that were hiring for jobs that he found????? 82 to jobs he applied for in one day. Now would a person get 100% feedback from all 82 jobs? no But you will get some feedback, but if you never applie for a job you never get one.

Now for all those people who say there is no jobs here, B*llshit. Just get off your soap box or your couch and get out there and work. If all you can get is low paying jobs, is that the rest of our problem, then go back to school and earn a education.

FLYBOYJ · 05-24-2006, 01:50 PM

AMEN HUNTER!!!!

In my occupation I've been unemployed for about 5 days in 28 years - and those 5 days were because of me taking time off while waiting to start another job. Bottom line, there are 3 kinds of people in the world; Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wondered what happened!!!!

There are many who think the world owes them a living.....