Are you a Republican or Democrat?

evangilder · 05-24-2006, 01:59 PM

Teachers in LA are way underpaid and many are at or below the poverty line. You want to get rid of bad teachers? Get rid of tenure and make them perform to expectations or they are gone. It's that simple. 40-70,000 for a teachers salary is quite a range, but I can tell you that 40,000 a year in southern california is barely eking out a living. Rents are typcially in the $2,000 a month range for a reasonable 1 bedroom in a neighborhood that you at least feel relatively safe in. I am not absolutely certain where they start here, but my wife's friend is a teacher and they are barely making it.

Unions, screw em. Unions had their place years ago before labor laws went into effect. Now they have become political entities that steal money from the worker to be part of a group that decides what they do for them. I feel the same way about working for someplace that requires me to be a union member as I felt about ever having to wear a blue helmet in the military. Cold day in hell.

Hunter368 · 05-24-2006, 03:14 PM

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AMEN HUNTER!!!!

In my occupation I've been unemployed for about 5 days in 28 years - and those 5 days were because of me taking time off while waiting to start another job. Bottom line, there are 3 kinds of people in the world; Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wondered what happened!!!!

There are many who think the world owes them a living.....

Oh Joe, man do I have some funny as hell stories for you about employees. For all you guys who have either owned your own company, managed or you could even throw in (although it is different in many ways) commanded men in the military, there is sooooo many funny stories of dumb azzes, lazy bastards who THINK they know best or they are BETTER than everyone else. In the last 4 years alone I have hired 32 people and only 5 remain today, the rest are gone. I have fired most of them, few have quit b/c they could not handle it here, few have left to move on to other careers.

Oh we could start a thread on that one for sure, it might be even stress relief for us. Where can I find workers that don't wine and ***** all day and actually know what a hard day's work means. They are few and far between.

FLYBOYJ · 05-24-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter368

Oh Joe, man do I have some funny as hell stories for you about employees. For all you guys who have either owned your own company, managed or you could even throw in (although it is different in many ways) commanded men in the military, there is sooooo many funny stories of dumb azzes, lazy bastards who THINK they know best or they are BETTER than everyone else. In the last 4 years alone I have hired 32 people and only 5 remain today, the rest are gone. I have fired most of them, few have quit b/c they could not handle it here, few have left to move on to other careers.

Oh we could start a thread on that one for sure, it might be even stress relief for us. Where can I find workers that don't wine and ***** all day and actually know what a hard day's work means. They are few and far between.

I know what you mean - been there, done that. Right now I have 5 people working for me and they're all real good. Once and a while one or two of them gets a little bitchy, then its reminder time on how easy they have it when compared to other places like ours....

Delusional · 05-24-2006, 05:46 PM

Perhaps it is different where you live, evan, but here tenure only ensures that a teacher cannot be fired before the school year is over. Our teachers are evaluated every year, and they can be fired at any time after a school year has been completed. That being said, the bad teachers are still not weeded out. I think it is the teachers' unions that ensure that a bad teacher will not be fired.

Well, most employers consider cost of living when writing up paychecks, but maybe they don't in Los Angeles. For instance, the average pay for a teacher in Chicago is $50,000 a year if you have been employed at the same school for five years of more. I think one thing that we can all agree on now that we have discussed this topic a bit more and with people from all over the world is that the situation regarding teachers and education is very different depending on where you are.

Larry Bejayna · 08-07-2006, 01:28 AM

Neither, both parties are failures. & neither of them has the guts or sanity to use stat anaysis for their programs to adjudge efficiency. Jeez, wonder why?

Dems are gonna solve social probs & problems of the minorities etc. & blacks had 85% literacy rate in 50's now it's 50%. Great job. Homelessness doubled under Clinton.

& the Republicans are gonna create small government, (excuse me while I barf), & eliminate taxes & create prosperity. Amazing performance so far eh?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-07-2006, 01:43 AM

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Dems are gonna solve social probs & problems of the minorities etc. & blacks had 85% literacy rate in 50's now it's 50%.

Not that I like the democrats, but can you really blame a political party on that? Maybe if they would go to school and pay attention in school rather than worrying about whats so cool, then they would have a higher literacy rate.

Larry Bejayna · 08-07-2006, 02:51 AM

Partially you can. Education has been controlled by the democrats for decades. Outcome based education, ( supported by Clinton ), has the worst track record of any program in US history. The schools in US that do the best are in places like Chicago & North Dakota, very Republican areas.

Outside societal influences such as drugs, single parent families all play into this subject, but those in charge are no doubt culpable to a significant degree.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-07-2006, 04:31 AM

I dont buy that sorry. I did not live in a Republican or Democrat area. I paid attention in school and got an education and am now quite successfurl. Everyone who paid attention in school also has become quite successful.

Those that thought school was uncool, did not pay attention, did not learn anything, worried more about where they would get there next dime bag, or fourty or what cool clothes to wear because they were more baggy then others or what not have not faired so well.

That comes to down to social upbringing, the standards that the parents hole there children too. The Government does not make you learn or not learn.

P38 Pilot · 08-07-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Not that I like the democrats, but can you really blame a political party on that? Maybe if they would go to school and pay attention in school rather than worrying about whats so cool, then they would have a higher literacy rate.

I dont like democrats either, but Alder has a point. Black kids at my school dont pay attention, they disrespect the teachers and constantly get into fights amongst each other. We had a few guys arrested at our school for multiple fights.

There are some black kids that do pay attention and try to learn. But classes are disrupted alot and some of the stuff some of these guys say is stupid. They think gangs are cool and talk about joining them when their older. Thats probably the main reason why alot of them fail.

But liberals, (especially liberal teachers) who feel they should "express theirselves" are also to blame. Because when they start "expressing theirselves" trouble happens...

Erich · 08-07-2006, 10:32 AM

................. WHO CARES ! .................

I vote Les in as commissar of the US of A !!!

ride hard imps

Larry Bejayna · 08-07-2006, 02:28 PM

The people chatting about it obviously. Yes when kids pay attn, they learn more. But a school where no discipline exists allows for less paying attn. & 'what' is taught is also relevant, & 'how' it is taught is likewise relevant. Teaching black kids ebonics will not give them any edge in the job world.

Feeding kids ritalin & teaching positive homosexual affiramtion lessons won't create great careers for them. It will teach them that taking pills to manage their lives is ok. It's rubbish what the Libs are doing in education today. & a teacher in conservative Utah suggested that they go back & do what they were doing in the 50's, ( the 3 R's ), since it obviously worked better was lambasted for being so dreadfully backwards & insensitive. Flippin mess it is.

Erich · 08-07-2006, 02:39 PM

actually going back to the reforms of the 30's, 40's and 50's would be best. you'll never see it as it will get much worse before better in the too near a future .........

Les for Presidante'

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-07-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Bejayna

The people chatting about it obviously. Yes when kids pay attn, they learn more. But a school where no discipline exists allows for less paying attn. & 'what' is taught is also relevant, & 'how' it is taught is likewise relevant. Teaching black kids ebonics will not give them any edge in the job world.

Feeding kids ritalin & teaching positive homosexual affiramtion lessons won't create great careers for them. It will teach them that taking pills to manage their lives is ok. It's rubbish what the Libs are doing in education today. & a teacher in conservative Utah suggested that they go back & do what they were doing in the 50's, ( the 3 R's ), since it obviously worked better was lambasted for being so dreadfully backwards & insensitive. Flippin mess it is.

This has nothing to do with whether you are black or white or purple for whatever I care. This also has nothing to do with the government. The government does not determine how a teacher teaches there kids.

It comes down to the kids wanting to learn and there parents influencing them to learn.

Larry Bejayna · 08-07-2006, 07:50 PM

Not correct. The governmnet implements programs like goals 2000 that Clinton sponsored. They also sponsor Teenscreen, mandatory mental health screening. the government has everything to do with it. Goals 2000 does not allow kids to get an F as it would hurt the child's self esteem, & smart kids can't advance for similiar reasons. Smacks of communism, everyone has to be the same.

& you paid attn likely cause the teachers you had used discipline. Can't use paddles anymore, liberals won't allow it.

Goals 2000, also known as outcome based education has the lowest highschool to college rating of any ed program ever implemented in US.

pbfoot · 08-07-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

This has nothing to do with whether you are black or white or purple for whatever I care. This also has nothing to do with the government. The government does not determine how a teacher teaches there kids.

It comes down to the kids wanting to learn and there parents influencing them to learn.

totally correct