Zimbabwe's brutality is our business

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Kruska

Hello FLYBOY,

Very good point. It is exactly what I keep telling those people who in the first place rallied against countries and its governments such as Rhodesia and South Africa in the 80,s.

Very busily engaged and involved in regards to destroying functional societies and governments, who they didn’t know anything about and now standing by and doing nothing.

Regards
Kruska

I spent a month in Botswana and S. Africa in 2002 and it was an eye opener.

[Arsenal VG-33]

Zimbabwe doesn't seem to have many natural resources, if at all. Only agriculture, which is now nearly non-existant. They were at one point one of Africa's largest exporters or corn and other crop.

No big oil wells to speak of, no massive gold or other ore deposites, no diamond industry I can think of.

Yeah, Zimbabwe is screwed. I don't see anyone going in there to change the regime.

[glennasher]

Originally Posted by Arsenal VG-33

Zimbabwe doesn't seem to have many natural resources, if at all. Only agriculture, which is now nearly non-existant. They were at one point one of Africa's largest exporters or corn and other crop.

No big oil wells to speak of, no massive gold or other ore deposites, no diamond industry I can think of.

Yeah, Zimbabwe is screwed. I don't see anyone going in there to change the regime.

Except coal, there are a lot of coal deposits in northern Zim, among other minerals, it could (and used to be) a very rich country, but for the ruination caused by Mugabe and his cronies. I think it has a lot of bauxite and other ores too, but there are a lot of minerals there. That's in addition to the agriculture, which was second to none on the continent.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Graeme

He's also lost his Knighthood...

About bloody time! Seems 'er Majesty gives them out to all kinds of Riff-raff & dodgy people these days...

Originally Posted by parsifal

How much longer can Mugabe hang around. After all he is 84. I am predicting that ZANU-PF will desend into anarchy once Mugabe croaks it

The thought of this arrogant murderous thug dying of old age turns my stomach...

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

What infuriates me over this is where are all the anti-apartied protesters and celebrities of the 80s? Is this not injustice??????

man lollll its all about fashion !

"we are the world, we are the childreeensss"

then they got better contracts to shows, movies and they forget their causes !

south africa besides its social issues is going to the right way. the portuguese speakers countries of africa is getting better also, but these stufs are not resolved from one day to another. its easy to destroy, but take a major time to build a country.

the hollywood celebrities goes to these countries, take some photos with homeless children then came back to home, to make another movie with bugdet estimated over 40 milion euros.

who really cares about africa, people are starving there, but what transnational wants to buld business or assemblers there ? to few. just harvest the natural prime-mater, and the rest could blow up

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by JugBR

man lollll its all about fashion !

"we are the world, we are the childreeensss"

then they got better contracts to shows, movies and they forget their causes !

south africa besides its social issues is going to the right way. the portuguese speakers countries of africa is getting better also, but these stufs are not resolved from one day to another. its easy to destroy, but take a major time to build a country.

the hollywood celebrities goes to these countries, take some photos with homeless children then came back to home, to make another movie with bugdet estimated over 40 milion euros.

who really cares about africa, people are starving there, but what transnational wants to buld business or assemblers there ? to few. just harvest the natural prime-mater, and the rest could blow up

I spent time in Botswana (which I consider the "Switzerland" of Africa) and South Africa, and I could tell you South Africa IS NOT getting better and I think our South African members could confirm that. I met a number of South African whites who immigrated to Botswana to "get away," especially those from Johannesburg. I don't deny that the former Portuguese colonies are better but I think their circumstances are a little different. Bottom line the pressures by the international community and Hollywood to end Apartheid resulted in the power vacuum we're witnessing today and I believe South Africa hasn't fallen into total chaos because the remaining whites still control a great portion of the economy IMO. Henk has posted some pretty eye-opening information about living in South Africa.

[Njaco]

Bono et al is more interested in people dying of Aids instead of machetes.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I spent time in Botswana (which I consider the "Switzerland" of Africa) and South Africa, and I could tell you South Africa IS NOT getting better and I think our South African members could confirm that. I met a number of South African whites who immigrated to Botswana to "get away," especially those from Johannesburg. I don't deny that the former Portuguese colonies are better but I think their circumstances are a little different. Bottom line the pressures by the international community and Hollywood to end Apartheid resulted in the power vacuum we're witnessing today and I believe South Africa hasn't fallen into total chaos because the remaining whites still control a great portion of the economy IMO. Henk has posted some pretty eye-opening information about living in South Africa.

wel the apartheing shouldnt continues anyway, because its also the root of all social crisis they lives today. the only diference is that the side of the country with serious humanitarian issues was not show that time.

but i think this situation reminds a lot the fall of soviet union:

when the soviet union crashes people was more interesting into make that country capitalist as soon as possible than make a soft transition to avoid situatios like nuclear proliferation.

[eddie_brunette]

That is why i'm leaving the continent....
After Friday's election:
Zim election 'violence-wracked'

'Leaders won't condemn Mugabe'
Mugabe calls for talks
SADC denounces Zim poll
Mugabe hails Mbeki for mediation
Mugabe win a joke - MDC
Mugabe wins 85.51% of vote
Mugabe wins one-man run-off
Harare - Robert Mugabe faced mounting criticism on Monday after beginning a new term as Zimbabwe's president, with African observers and much of the world denouncing his one-man election as violence-wracked.
Mugabe took the oath of office on Sunday in a hastily arranged ceremony at his official residence barely an hour after the electoral commission declared he won more than 85% of the votes cast.
The 84-year-old leader used his inauguration speech to appeal for "unity" among Zimbabwe's political parties - an overture the opposition greeted with deep suspicion.
"Indeed it is my hope that sooner rather than later, we shall as diverse political parties hold consultations towards such serious dialogue as will minimise our difference and enhance the area of unity and co-operation," Mugabe said.
Tsvangirai boycotts election
Later in the day Mugabe left Zimbabwe for an African Union summit beginning on Monday in Egypt, state media said, where his country's crisis was to feature high on the agenda
Official results showed he won 2 150 269 votes against 233 000 for opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai, who boycotted the election but whose name still appeared on ballot papers.
Turnout was announced at 42.37%, and 131 481 ballot papers were rejected.
Observers from the 14-nation Southern African Development Community (SADC) issued an uncharacteristically sharp rebuke to Mugabe hours after results were announced, saying the election "did not represent the will of the people".
"The pre-election phase was characterised by politically-motivated violence, intimidation and displacements," Angolan Sports Minister Jose Marcos Barrica, the head of the 400-strong team of observers, said in a statement.
'It's hard to trust Mugabe'
A SADC mission which oversaw the first round of voting on March 29 was heavily criticised by the opposition after it gave the election a largely clean bill of health even before results were announced.
Marwick Khumalo, head of a Pan African Parliament observer mission, said it was hard to avoid the conclusion that the violence was state-sponsored.
No African heads of state were present for the inauguration, unlike previous election victories. Mugabe was Africa's oldest head of state and had ruled the former British colony since independence in 1980.
The declaration of victory for Mugabe was derided as a "joke" by a spokesperson for Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change.
MDC spokesperson Nelson Chamisa also reacted coolly to the proposal for dialogue, saying it was hard to trust Mugabe given the violence.
Mugabe was assured victory after Tsvangirai pulled out of Friday's presidential run-off, saying rising violence had left nearly 90 MDC supporters dead and thousands injured.
Tsvangirai won the first round on March 29 with 47.9% of the vote against 43.2% for Mugabe, just short of an outright majority.


edd

[eddie_brunette]

more....

Mugabe hails Mbeki for mediation

Harare - Robert Mugabe lavished praise on his South African counterpart Thabo Mbeki at his presidential swearing-in ceremony on Sunday, hailing him as a statesman for his mediation efforts in Zimbabwe.

"We are grateful to SADC (Southern African Development Community) and the role of statesman played by President Mbeki," Mugabe said.

"Zimbabwe is indebted to his untiring efforts to promote harmony and peace in Zimbabwe."

edd

[eddie_brunette]

sometimes I love being a Graphic Designer...

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edd

[JugBR]

theres a great cartoom abouts zimbabue realitys at the cartoons setion of the forum.

i read on bbc theres appears people who make opposition to mugabe are dispearing and the international observes says the oposition voters sufered violences.

eddie brunete can you resize the picture, my monitor have a 800x600 poor resolution man !

[eddie_brunette]

done

[JugBR]

CAIVS NERVS MVGABVS

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by JugBR

wel the apartheing shouldnt continues anyway, because its also the root of all social crisis they lives today. the only diference is that the side of the country with serious humanitarian issues was not show that time.

When Apartheid existed, both sides were held captive in their own country....

Originally Posted by JugBR

but i think this situation reminds a lot the fall of soviet union:

when the soviet union crashes people was more interesting into make that country capitalist as soon as possible than make a soft transition to avoid situatios like nuclear proliferation.

From what I see in South Africa and Zimbabwe, it's more about socialist/ Marxists who want revenge......