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Old 07-17-2008, 09:57 AM   #46
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I seem to allways here bad about Africa...Is there countrys in Africa doing well.. The news you can not trust...They allways spin the bad info...
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going there in just over a month - can't say I'm looking forward too it as such. Thankfully I know some locals who can fill me in about the stuff MS can't.

Anyway - Can't say I blame celebreties about not putting as much light on it as the apertheid show. First of all - its not the Apertheid - its a different situation. Secondly - they are celebreties, and don't really have any obligation whatsoever - its just a bonus when they do try to shed light on humanitarian disasters.

Africa is just generally such a mess - don't now where to start - other than its terrible whats going on and that its denying our heritage to believe that we have no obligations there (western europe and US - but specially: UK, France, Belgium and Germany).
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Old 07-17-2008, 07:36 PM   #48
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If any western nation took militarily action against Mugarbe the African nations would be screaming foul. They should get him out not leave it up the rest of the world. The AU are totally uncordinated in anything they have attempted they even let Mugarbee attend Sharm el Sheik when he should have at least been given the cold shoulder and told to sod off.
Zimbabwe is land locked so applying sanctions is easy but the boardering nations of Zambia, Mozambique,Botswana and SA cant even agree on a united strategy to oust this vile despot. Why should the west have to send their troops to get rid of this idiot when thoes next door are so ineffectual.
Trackend if the West did go in the AU sure would be pissed off! But is there much that they could do about it? Does the UK get much oil from Nigeria?

If we leave it up to the African nations then nothing will be done, they will wring their hands and express "regret" as thousands are killed or starve due to this madman.

Why us? If not us - then who? I don't think too many others really care....
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Anyway - Can't say I blame celebreties about not putting as much light on it as the apertheid show. First of all - its not the Apertheid - its a different situation. Secondly - they are celebreties, and don't really have any obligation whatsoever - its just a bonus when they do try to shed light on humanitarian disasters.
And what has happened to Zimbabwe is nothing short than a humanitarian disaster? Where were the celebrities when white farmers had their land taken away or were even murdered?
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And what has happened to Zimbabwe is nothing short than a humanitarian disaster? Where were the celebrities when white farmers had their land taken away or were even murdered?
How is it that celebreties suddenly have an obligation? Like I said: Its great when they do shed light on some humanitarian crisis - but they have NO obligation. They are actors and singers - not politicians, peacekeepers, reporters, aid-workers or soldiers.

My good friend was the daughter of such a farmer - however they where saved by the locals. Later she has returned - and I look forward to seeing her there when I go. She blames many groups of people for the current situation and lack of attention - but the celebreties are not one of them.
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How is it that celebreties suddenly have an obligation? Like I said: Its great when they do shed light on some humanitarian crisis - but they have NO obligation. They are actors and singers - not politicians, peacekeepers, reporters, aid-workers or soldiers.
Then why did they have an OBLIGATION to come out against apartheid?
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My good friend was the daughter of such a farmer - however they where saved by the locals. Later she has returned - and I look forward to seeing her there when I go. She blames many groups of people for the current situation and lack of attention - but the celebreties are not one of them.
My point here Daniel is the same celebrates who spoke out about the situation on the African continent in the 1980s were a bunch of hypocrites - they got involved in a cause that they might of thought was worth wild but in actually they knew nothing about the political and cultural demographics of the area - in other words they put their 2 cents in a place where they shouldn't. I think most of them did it for the fame and to fit in with the rest of their bunch. Fast foward 25 yours later and they are amazingly silent - hypocricity?

During his 90th birthday I see Mandela or even reverend Tutu saying little about Zimbabwe and the situation the WHITES were placed in.

I do hope you enjoy your trip - I loved that part of the world and would hope someday to return, especially to Botswana.
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On this i COMPLETELY agree 100% daniel they made a big stink because it was Cool for them to do that at that time, what gets me now is the celebs are adopting kids from these so called 3rd world countries 'because its the right thing to do' well the US has more than enough kids to be adopted, you never hear about the US kids that are adopted into the other countries kinda weird isnt it? these 3rd countries have dictators that have in excess of 300 billion in their accounts
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what the south african mates of the forum think about mandela ?
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what the south african mates of the forum think about mandela ?
Not much actually, as apparently one of the voices of the world his mouth is quite shut about the whole Zimbabwe fiasco, but his mouth is even more shut about the situation is his own country, turning a blind eye to his people that are raped/murdered/sodomized/hijacked/robbed everyday.

Why oh why do you think his birthday party was in the UK? It is impossible to get 40000 ANC supporters to behave in a stadium. The Polokwane ANC forum and ANC Youth League meetings were massive disasters, because they cant behave!!

SELFINRICHMET is the only way in Africa. If Mandela was released in the 80’s South Africa would have been exactly the same as Zim.

This just over the news:
Harare - Zimbabwe will transfer ownership of all foreign-owned firms that support Western sanctions against President Robert Mugabe's government to locals and investors from "friendly" countries, a state newspaper reported on Sunday.
The southern African state is struggling with an economic crisis many blame on Mugabe's policies, which has left it with an inflation rate of over 2.2 million percent and chronic shortages of food and other basic needs.
Mugabe's government blames the crisis on sabotage by enemies angry over his seizures of white-owned farms for blacks, and has followed up that policy with another controversial law seeking to transfer majority ownership of foreign-owned firms to locals.
The Sunday Mail said Zimbabwe had begun auditing the ownership of Western firms in the country as part of a black empowerment drive "and to counter the possible withdrawal of investment under sanctions imposed and proposed by Britain and the US"
Mugabe - fighting to retain power after a controversial runoff poll boycotted by his rival - says Zimbabwe's severe economic crisis is due to sabotage by former colonial master Britain, its European Union allies and the United States.
The Sunday Mail paper said preliminary results of Zimbabwe's audit of foreign investments showed that 499 companies enjoyed British investments. Of these, 309 had majority shareholders in Britain and 97 were wholly owned by Britons.
The audit also found 353 firms with shareholders from other European countries, the weekly said in a story largely attributed to unnamed government sources.
"A high-ranking government source told the Sunday Mail that these companies would be targeted for takeover by local investors and companies from friendly countries, particularly those in the Far East, should they heed calls by the US and European governments for them to disinvest from Zimbabwe," it said.

BTW, Chris Rock was here about a month ago and during an interview the question was asked,
“What do you like about Africa?”
His immediate answer “black people”
I would love to see his celebrity bigmouth after one week living by his own in this country. These guys that comes out of the “Ghetto’s” or what ever they called it has no idea
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On this i COMPLETELY agree 100% daniel they made a big stink because it was Cool for them to do that at that time, what gets me now is the celebs are adopting kids from these so called 3rd world countries 'because its the right thing to do' well the US has more than enough kids to be adopted, you never hear about the US kids that are adopted into the other countries kinda weird isnt it? these 3rd countries have dictators that have in excess of 300 billion in their accounts
"So called 3rd world countries"!? I doubt that the US lets other nations adopt their kids. Which celebreties are you refering to other than Jolie?

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Then why did they have an OBLIGATION to come out against apartheid?

My point here Daniel is the same celebrates who spoke out about the situation on the African continent in the 1980s were a bunch of hypocrites - they got involved in a cause that they might of thought was worth wild but in actually they knew nothing about the political and cultural demographics of the area - in other words they put their 2 cents in a place where they shouldn't. I think most of them did it for the fame and to fit in with the rest of their bunch. Fast foward 25 yours later and they are amazingly silent - hypocricity?

During his 90th birthday I see Mandela or even reverend Tutu saying little about Zimbabwe and the situation the WHITES were placed in.

I do hope you enjoy your trip - I loved that part of the world and would hope someday to return, especially to Botswana.
1. They didn't have any obligation - so it was nice that they did. (What do you by "in other words they put their 2 cents in a place where they shouldn't."?)

2. "Hippness" in helping certain disasters. This is true. Better some than none.

3. White Farmers. Although the attacks on the farmers where horrible it is simply what happens when a minority rule abuses the majority. And for westeners to wave their finger at black people's savagery in such conflicts - now thats hypocracy.

4. Mandela - oh come on. The guy is 90 years old - there is only so much one man can do i a lifetime.

And thanks - I hope to make my small contribution to a part of the world in a horrible situation.
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"So called 3rd world countries"!? I doubt that the US lets other nations adopt their kids. Which celebreties are you refering to other than Jolie?



1. They didn't have any obligation - so it was nice that they did. (What do you by "in other words they put their 2 cents in a place where they shouldn't."?)
They should of stayed out of the conflict - 3/4 of them were never from the region or knew nothing about the internal make up of South Africa.

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2. "Hippness" in helping certain disasters. This is true. Better some than none.
And again remarkibly quiet 25 years later...
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3. White Farmers. Although the attacks on the farmers where horrible it is simply what happens when a minority rule abuses the majority. And for westeners to wave their finger at black people's savagery in such conflicts - now thats hypocracy.
Is it? Many countries in the west pushed for "native self rule" and when the locals were given the "keys" to their government, they sought to destroy the white man in the region rather than put things right - that's hypocrisy!!!!
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4. Mandela - oh come on. The guy is 90 years old - there is only so much one man can do i a lifetime.
Yes there is - he could come out and condemn whats happening in Zimbabwe, it's that simple.
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And thanks - I hope to make my small contribution to a part of the world in a horrible situation.
Hope it all works out
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They should of stayed out of the conflict - 3/4 of them were never from the region or knew nothing about the internal make up of South Africa.

And again remarkibly quiet 25 years later...

Is it? Many countries in the west pushed for "native self rule" and when the locals were given the "keys" to their government, they sought to destroy the white man in the region rather than put things right - that's hypocrisy!!!!

Yes there is - he could come out and condemn whats happening in Zimbabwe, it's that simple.

Hope it all works out
SA: Not making any sense (or I don't see it). I know you cannot believe that the apartheid was good - so what is your point?

Celebs: Again - why is it their obligation? - they are celebrities for the love of.. And they are not quiet - just not as loud mouthed as before. I Seem to remember the live aid concerts and other things not too long ago.

African natives turning on their former colonial masters:
Hypocrasy? - yes and no. Stupid? - yes. Forseable and understandable? - yes.

Mandela: Ok - I'm surprised that he hasn't. It would probably be good if he did. But I'm sure there are political issues that make it harder than it seems. And still - he is 90 years old and has done and accomplished so much in his life. Lets give him a break.
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One of Mandela's quote's reads:

"There can be no keener revelation of a society's soul than the way in which it treats its children."


Please come and see the state of our children, then you'll understand...
it is ok to rape 2 year old girls, because it cures AIDS?
12 year old dies in shootout with police.
hundered of thousands street children.
1 classroom for 200 learners etc...

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I know that things are horrible in most of Africa. As much as it is possible I follow events there. That is also why I have decided to work for an aid organisation - I feel ashamed of the neglect my part of the world shows for its former lands. I have never said and will never say that things are all good now that apartheid has ended. But I'll be damned before I say it wasn't a good thing that it did end.

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I know that things are horrible in most of Africa. As much as it is possible I follow events there. That is also why I have decided to work for an aid organisation - I feel ashamed of the neglect my part of the world shows for its former lands. I have never said and will never say that things are all good now that apartheid has ended. But I'll be damned before I say it wasn't a good thing that it did end.
I have so much respect for the AID workers, but rather help the unfortunate ones in your country, you'll be killed here. Some headlines:

* At least 20 aid workers have been killed in Somalia this year
* Australian aid worker killed in Africa
* Aid workers being shot, killed
* Aid workers killed in Congo

but if you come down to Africa, please let me know, ill buy you a beer
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