F-14 vs F-15 vs F-16 (1 Viewer)

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Flyboy,

sorry for the late response. This whole thread is based on "paper data", what the planes did for on this and that exercise without listing the complete ROE specifics... comments from BIAS IP/TPS or inter rivalry banter.. This thread is mainly .. "my father is bigger than yours!" Come on guys, if you want to talk subjective then keep it clean. I go down this road with you guys but it solves NOTHING. ...

A F14A beating on F15A on a guns match during ACM/EVAL... During an exchange tour, an UK pilot commanded a 4 v 4 vs Tyndall F15s.. the F14 came out on top.. With the DFCS introduction, the VF14 in the lowly F14A bested the Lufftwaffe Mig 29 in a 1 v 1 match.. We can go all day on this.. one F14A beats 2 F15C from Langley in a gun match.. Its pointless...

we can talk about how the harrier beat the F15 in a WVR match.. what's it solve? NOTHING..

You can plot or predict each aircraft's performance and see where they're strengths are. the F14A-D were strong under FL150. As for hamfisting a plane with out a limiter, you can over G any plane if you have reached the proper speed and weight. Take the G limiter off the F16/18.. watch what happens.. Dale Snodgrass even managed to pull 11G when avoiding a SAM during DS1. Give me a break.

The F14A-D does not have FBW and you can depart the aircraft into the direction you want it to go.. provided if you had the knowledge and the balls to do. This is an area that isn't listed in any flight manual. While FBW aircraft help the pilot keep control the aircraft.

Paper fighting isn't real life. The fact remains, the F14 can hold its own in the WVR arena. Any skilled pilot will always use the strengths of their aircraft. When the F110 came, the F14B/D were the fastest aircraft what would reach M1.6 quick during exercises so .. this ended when the F16 block 50/52 came..


I suggest you guys read the book by Hoser Sapatra on the F-14.. Its an interesting read and he tells you about using airshow/post stall maneuvering in the F14s.. even with one engine pulling snapping the nose around.
 
Even though I am retired USAF I would hands down take a Tomcat. Why get into a knive fight when I can throw a javelin or a spear before I need to pull a sword oh but I do also have a knife. With a package that (by EOL) included the AIM-54, AIM-7, AIM-120, and AIM9 oh and wait, not done yet, M61 20 mm cannon. And give it the D engines that cat can do some serious furballing. It could tangle with the best and spit fur out all the day long.
 
I am no fighter pilot past or present nor even an a/c mechanic which I think some are here but just a guy with an interest in learning more about how its done in the real world today. I dont think we have even heard from an actual fighter pilot on the recent posts but I just like the F14. It's armament capability and forward/swept wing design just looks so bad ass. Having some top line engines to give it a boost in a vertical fight I think is a great benefit or just to get the hell out of dodge if the advantage is not in your favour. For sure there is no shame in running from a fight if one doesn't have the advantage. And no my opinions are not scientific nor do I speak from actual experience. I do however think that it really depends on the guy in the cockpit that ultimately makes the difference on who comes out on top in an egagement. At the end of the day I would take all 3 with a smattering of F/A-18 on the side for sure. Fighter pilots are so loaded with confidence in their own abilities that I don't think any of them would refuse either of these 4 aircraft in a fight.
 
Flyboy,

sorry for the late response. This whole thread is based on "paper data", what the planes did for on this and that exercise without listing the complete ROE specifics... comments from BIAS IP/TPS or inter rivalry banter.. This thread is mainly .. "my father is bigger than yours!" Come on guys, if you want to talk subjective then keep it clean. I go down this road with you guys but it solves NOTHING. ...

A F14A beating on F15A on a guns match during ACM/EVAL... During an exchange tour, an UK pilot commanded a 4 v 4 vs Tyndall F15s.. the F14 came out on top.. With the DFCS introduction, the VF14 in the lowly F14A bested the Lufftwaffe Mig 29 in a 1 v 1 match.. We can go all day on this.. one F14A beats 2 F15C from Langley in a gun match.. Its pointless...

we can talk about how the harrier beat the F15 in a WVR match.. what's it solve? NOTHING..

You can plot or predict each aircraft's performance and see where they're strengths are. the F14A-D were strong under FL150. As for hamfisting a plane with out a limiter, you can over G any plane if you have reached the proper speed and weight. Take the G limiter off the F16/18.. watch what happens.. Dale Snodgrass even managed to pull 11G when avoiding a SAM during DS1. Give me a break.

The F14A-D does not have FBW and you can depart the aircraft into the direction you want it to go.. provided if you had the knowledge and the balls to do. This is an area that isn't listed in any flight manual. While FBW aircraft help the pilot keep control the aircraft.

Paper fighting isn't real life. The fact remains, the F14 can hold its own in the WVR arena. Any skilled pilot will always use the strengths of their aircraft. When the F110 came, the F14B/D were the fastest aircraft what would reach M1.6 quick during exercises so .. this ended when the F16 block 50/52 came..


I suggest you guys read the book by Hoser Sapatra on the F-14.. Its an interesting read and he tells you about using airshow/post stall maneuvering in the F14s.. even with one engine pulling snapping the nose around.
Boy I had to revive some dead brain cells to remember this one.

All good but I'm still interested in that "training software."
 
Even though I am retired USAF I would hands down take a Tomcat. Why get into a knive fight when I can throw a javelin or a spear before I need to pull a sword oh but I do also have a knife. With a package that (by EOL) included the AIM-54, AIM-7, AIM-120, and AIM9 oh and wait, not done yet, M61 20 mm cannon. And give it the D engines that cat can do some serious furballing. It could tangle with the best and spit fur out all the day long.

I was under the impression that the F-14 did not have AIM-120 compatability, and that would have taken some additional development to get that. But the USN didn't bother because they were retiring the F-14.
 
Well in war different type a/c meet each other all the time, regardless if their flown properly or not ;)

Let me create a scenario:

Two bombers escorted by two F-15's are about to be intercepted by two F-14's fitted with 6x sidewinders and 2x Phoenix missiles.

At 80km away the Tomcats lock on to the bombers and fire off their two Phoenix missiles at them. The F-15's, armed with 8x AIM-7 Sparrow missiles peel off to intercept the Tomcats. The Bombers try to avoid the Phoenix missiles by the help of ECM.

The F-14's F-15's get within 20km, a wild dogfight is soon to follow, who wins ? Or should I say who have the odds with or against them ?

The F-14s, after downing the bombers leave town. The fighters aren't a threat. Or the F-15s, after losing the bombers, leave town, as their mission is blown.

Since the Sparrow has a considerable range advantage over the Sidewinder, and the Tomcats would probably have fired all their Phoenix missiles, the F-15s would probably engage long before the F-14s could shoot back, and probably shoot at least one down. If they're stupid enough to get within dog fighting range or unlucky enough to need to, they're now in the Sidewinder's envelope, which would probably cause them to at least one of their number, and the other would then leave town.

If it gets to gun range (very unlikely), it's all luck. Everything I've read is that the F-14 and the F-15 were both very nearly equal in their ability to dog fight, with most of what I've heard (Av Week and long-lost contacts in the aviation industry) stating that the F-14 was slightly superior.
 

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