Allied Aircraft to forstall Japanese early Success in Far Eastern campaign, 1941-1942

[oldcrowcv63]

Allied resistance to Japan collapsed in a matter of about 3 months (December 8, 1941 - March 3, 1942), probably due to a number of factors including intellectual or spiritual inertia to the state of war, inadequate pilot training, logistical inadequacies, and substandard equipment. If it was possible to equip all allied aviation units with but one aircraft to resist the Japanese onslaught, what might have proved most effective in delaying the inevitable? I've listed only contemporary aircraft loosely in theater in some numbers. Assume decisions made well prior to the commencement of hostilities allowed for production of all the necessary replacement aircraft. Probably shouldn't have included the Spitfire but couldn't resist.



Ooops, forgot to list the Curtiss Wright CW-21 Demon!

[Vincenzo]

Spitfire I was never sent overseas, the Spit V operated from Australia in 1943, too late for your timeline.
The P-66 was used over China in '43

[oldcrowcv63]

Yep, wrt spit,

Probably shouldn't have included the Spitfire but couldn't resist.

Spitfire I was never sent overseas, the Spit V operated from Australia in 1943, too late for your timeline.
The P-66 was used over China in '43

But P-66 production deliveries began in September 1941, so concievably might have played a role with different decision tree. Although you are right I probably shouldn't have realistically included it either.

[buffnut453]

It wasn't purely an aircraft issue. As you point out, there were other significant factors including intelligence, early warning, tactical experience, air gunnery proficiency and leadership mindset. It could be argued that, had these deficiencies been rectified prior to hostilities with Japan, the air campaign in Dec 41 and into early 42 might have been very different even with the obsolete/obsolescent aircraft available to the Allies.

[tyrodtom]

It didn't matter what they had if they were going to miss use them. I wonder if even P-51D's wouldn't have given enough of a advantage to make up for the debacle of the first few days of the war.

[pbfoot]

All the militaries were short of aircrew and well trained aircrew were definately at a premium

[parsifal]

With regard to the P-66, Wiki had this to say
"The Chinese received the assembled fighters via India by late 1942; Chinese Vanguards had USAAF insignia and serials as well as Chinese markings and Vultee serials on factory models. The undistinguished combat record of the Vanguard in China was due to problems that began in transit where a number of Vanguards were destroyed during tests in India and others lost while en route to China. Assembled P-66s were deemed unairworthy and abandoned at Karachi resulting in only 12 Vanguards on station at Kunming with the 74th Fighter Squadron of the 23rd Fighter Group, but this unit saw little action. Two Chinese squadrons from the 3rd Group and the 5th Group based at An-Su saw combat action with the Vanguard from August 1943 onward. However, many P-66s were destroyed on the ground during Japanese attacks while several were shot down in error when they were mistaken for the Nakajima Nakajima Ki-43 "Oscar" and Ki-44 "Tojo". Although the Vanguard possessed a top speed of 340 mph (550 km/h), it was no match for the agile Japanese fighters in high-g maneuvers and relied on hit-and-run tactics against the Japanese'

[futuredogfight]

The P-36 is a great aircraft beating the Mk. 1 Spit in many respects.

[oldcrowcv63]

I should have broken out the P-40B and P-40E as separate options in this thread due to their different ceiling and climb rate. The poll was prompted by reading Bartsch's account of the Java campaign and the difficulty encountered by the P-40Es of USAAF Provisional Pursuit Squadron 17 based at the secret Ngoro airfield south of Surobaya. They were based there for about 5 weeks to defend the city and the larger airfields at Singosari and Perak. They managed to destroy only about 12 Japanese aircraft (despite continuous almost daily raids) primarily due to the P-40E's comparatively low ceiling (27-29,000 ft) and its slow climb rate. It took a P-40E about 40 minutes to reach intercept alititude, but Java Air Defense Command was typically only able to give about 30 minutes warning). They usually only obtained visual contact after the raid had occurred and the escorted bombers were returning to base; rarely before it.

During that period, the squadron, consisting of fairly well trained pilots, was ably led by Phillipine vet Bud Sprague. The aircraft had better maintenance support than was available in the PI, had the ammo and oxygen it needed to fight. The Dutch were fighting (and also the RAF, RAAF and RNZAF, I believe) with a mix of aircraft including some P-36s and B339/439s and CW-21Bs. There were evidently a few RAF Hurricanes available from those that had been delivered to Singapore before its fall.

[pbfoot]

The P-36 is a great aircraft beating the Mk. 1 Spit in many respects.

The P36 was for lack of words a backwater fighter , in the CBI theatre it was a secondary fighter , after reading Mohawks over Burma its main forte was strafing barges on the Irrawaddy

[oldcrowcv63]

The P36 was for lack of words a backwater fighter , in the CBI theatre it was a secondary fighter , after reading Mohawks over Burma its main forte was strafing barges on the Irrawaddy

I believe it had a higher ceiling than the P-40E (what didn't?) but don't know how its climb rate stacked up against the other candidates. I think interceptors able to boom and zoom (IJN & IJA) escorts would have been necessary to achieve more success during the Java campaign.

[tomo pauk]

F4F-3/Martlet is my choice here, IIRC people that flew it also praised it.

[oldcrowcv63]

Martlet seems a good option: suitable ceiling, good dive speed and good range with solid robustness somewhat offseting low top speed and anemic climb rate. Not sure how its climb speed stacks up vs P-40E. Much as I like the F4F-3 (and I really do!), it's unfortunately almost as much a fantasy as a choice as the Spitfire Mark I.

[Vincenzo]

Probably the F4F-3 was the right choice, i'm not sure if this variant get martlet name

[oldcrowcv63]

Probably the F4F-3 was the right choice, i'm not sure if this variant get martlet name

Once again Vincenzo you are correct! USN F4F-3 didn't get a Martlet Mark. The 'Martlet Mark I' was delivered to Britain in mid 1940, but, with its Wright Cyclone engine and single stage superharger, not as sharp at altitude as its F4F-3 USN cousin. The Mark II had folding wings and so was heavier than the Mrk I (and also had a single stage supercharger I believe) & the Mrk III (USN F4F-3A) also sported the single stage supercharger. The F4F-3 would have been the best performer of the lot.