Best Allied Nightfighter: P-61, Mosquito, or Hellcat? - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Erich · 10-29-2006, 07:23 PM

the 2 ETO squads that have mentioned incluidng the 418th nfs perferred the P-61 in the night ground attack and intruder roles. The two nfs mentioned also and I hate to say this but as a member of the US nf assoc. the crews were terrible at iding friend/foe at night even with the useage of the special night glasses. Me 262's were supposedly visualized in Oct. of 44 which is wrong as well as the id of Me 163's at night which is also incorrect. Several mysterious flying saucer shapes were also id'd and their are other peculiararites as well

the best of the three mentioned is the Mossie XXX without doubt

Emac44 · 10-29-2006, 10:30 PM

Each aircraft had it valuations to me. Mossies were used European theatre and it suited the purposes to be used as a night fighter. if the poll was exclusive to each theatre it was used in i would vote towards the actual conditions it was exposed to P61 was brilliant in its role in Pacific theatre and operating to its conditions for example the high humidity found in the Pacific and Asian region etc where as the Mosquito operated just fine in cooler climates found in Europe. Hellcat i didn't even know it was used as a nightfighter so i would have to discount it due to my ignorance of its capabilities. but between the Mosquito and the black widow neck a neck in performance durability and overall handling by the crews using them. but for me the Mosquito by a hairs breathe and only just

kitfox · 10-29-2006, 11:59 PM

Yes, I am corrected in my question. I incorrectly did not list the P-70, P-38M, or Beaufighter. Did the F4U-4N any kills? They should be considered also.

In this report I read, the visibility, firepower, cockpit layout was preferred in the P-61B. Tandem seating, acceleration, and responsiveness were preferred in the Mosquito.

This report also strongly recommends discontinuance of production of the P-39Q, P-63, and P-40N, stating "they are not modern fighter aircraft". It also [then censored] reports the dismal performance of the P-59 with the Meteor. The Americans were to wait for the P-80.

Erich · 10-30-2006, 12:44 PM

ah the posts in this thread have some inaccuricies but I am going to go back to what the poll mentioned. The Mossie XIII would of been nowhere superior to the later P-61B, had the poll mentioned the Mossie XXX then the tide would of turned to the Mossies favour.

forget the P-70 and the P38M never did fly operationaly as a night fighter according to US nf documentation, only after war in which the US nf units then were disbanded

Vassili Zaitzev · 10-31-2006, 08:27 AM

Considering I only know the P-61 I'll go with that, but how good was the Mosquito?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-31-2006, 10:52 AM

You dont know the Mossie? That is almost scandulous.

k9kiwi · 10-31-2006, 11:40 AM

For target practice whenever possible, so yes it was.

Erich · 10-31-2006, 04:22 PM

sorry but you are going to have to explain that statement to me K9Kiwi

k9kiwi · 10-31-2006, 04:27 PM

Erich

Never mind, I started work this morning at 0400, I got things out of context and out of place.

Erich · 10-31-2006, 04:40 PM

no problemo I got about 3 hrs of sleep lat night and my posts probably do not make sense ..........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-01-2006, 01:23 PM

Same here. I was at a Holloween party last night and did not get home till real late. Pretty tired all day.

Erich · 11-01-2006, 01:48 PM

I didn't do too bad with the Halloweenie kids and my 3 grand-daughters hanging all over me, just have a stupid allergy-head cold that I can't seem to get out of my system .....

cough, gag, choke

Plane Freak · 07-10-2007, 05:58 PM

**** is every one here a NAZI

mosquitoman · 07-10-2007, 06:02 PM

No, contrary to what you think nobody on here is a Nazi, in fact if a Nazi supporter was on this board, they would get banned as quickly as you will for insinuating that everyone was.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-11-2007, 11:19 AM

As he was banned, what a ****tard.

View Poll Results: Best Allied Nightfighter?
Northrop P-61B Black Widow	13	30.95%
DeHavilland Mosquito NF-XIII	25	59.52%
Grumman F6F-5N Hellcat	4	9.52%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2006, 07:23 PM	#16
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	the 2 ETO squads that have mentioned incluidng the 418th nfs perferred the P-61 in the night ground attack and intruder roles. The two nfs mentioned also and I hate to say this but as a member of the US nf assoc. the crews were terrible at iding friend/foe at night even with the useage of the special night glasses. Me 262's were supposedly visualized in Oct. of 44 which is wrong as well as the id of Me 163's at night which is also incorrect. Several mysterious flying saucer shapes were also id'd and their are other peculiararites as well the best of the three mentioned is the Mossie XXX without doubt __________________ Rip it up !

10-30-2006, 12:44 PM	#19
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	ah the posts in this thread have some inaccuricies but I am going to go back to what the poll mentioned. The Mossie XIII would of been nowhere superior to the later P-61B, had the poll mentioned the Mossie XXX then the tide would of turned to the Mossies favour. forget the P-70 and the P38M never did fly operationaly as a night fighter according to US nf documentation, only after war in which the US nf units then were disbanded __________________ Rip it up !

10-31-2006, 10:52 AM	#21
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	You dont know the Mossie? That is almost scandulous. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

10-31-2006, 11:40 AM	#22
k9kiwi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kiwi Land Posts: 850	For target practice whenever possible, so yes it was. __________________ 4 out of 5 voices in my head say I am normal. Majority rules. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

10-29-2006, 10:30 PM	#17
Emac44 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brisbane Queensland Posts: 1,579	Each aircraft had it valuations to me. Mossies were used European theatre and it suited the purposes to be used as a night fighter. if the poll was exclusive to each theatre it was used in i would vote towards the actual conditions it was exposed to P61 was brilliant in its role in Pacific theatre and operating to its conditions for example the high humidity found in the Pacific and Asian region etc where as the Mosquito operated just fine in cooler climates found in Europe. Hellcat i didn't even know it was used as a nightfighter so i would have to discount it due to my ignorance of its capabilities. but between the Mosquito and the black widow neck a neck in performance durability and overall handling by the crews using them. but for me the Mosquito by a hairs breathe and only just

10-29-2006, 11:59 PM	#18
kitfox Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sapporo, Hokkaido Posts: 3	Yes, I am corrected in my question. I incorrectly did not list the P-70, P-38M, or Beaufighter. Did the F4U-4N any kills? They should be considered also. In this report I read, the visibility, firepower, cockpit layout was preferred in the P-61B. Tandem seating, acceleration, and responsiveness were preferred in the Mosquito. This report also strongly recommends discontinuance of production of the P-39Q, P-63, and P-40N, stating "they are not modern fighter aircraft". It also [then censored] reports the dismal performance of the P-59 with the Meteor. The Americans were to wait for the P-80.

10-31-2006, 08:27 AM	#20
Vassili Zaitzev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 2,221	Considering I only know the P-61 I'll go with that, but how good was the Mosquito?

10-31-2006, 04:22 PM	#23
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	sorry but you are going to have to explain that statement to me K9Kiwi __________________ Rip it up !

10-31-2006, 04:27 PM	#24
k9kiwi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kiwi Land Posts: 850	Erich Never mind, I started work this morning at 0400, I got things out of context and out of place. __________________ 4 out of 5 voices in my head say I am normal. Majority rules. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

10-31-2006, 04:40 PM	#25
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	no problemo I got about 3 hrs of sleep lat night and my posts probably do not make sense .......... __________________ Rip it up !

11-01-2006, 01:23 PM	#26
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Same here. I was at a Holloween party last night and did not get home till real late. Pretty tired all day. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-01-2006, 01:48 PM	#27
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	I didn't do too bad with the Halloweenie kids and my 3 grand-daughters hanging all over me, just have a stupid allergy-head cold that I can't seem to get out of my system ..... cough, gag, choke __________________ Rip it up !

07-10-2007, 05:58 PM	#28
Plane Freak Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Altona, MB Posts: 4	**** is every one here a NAZI

07-10-2007, 06:02 PM	#29
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	No, contrary to what you think nobody on here is a Nazi, in fact if a Nazi supporter was on this board, they would get banned as quickly as you will for insinuating that everyone was. __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

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DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	As he was banned, what a **tard. __________________ fly boy:**"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

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