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03-29-2007, 03:46 PM
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Country:  | This may have been discussed previously but the M14 does not meet the definition of an assault rifle. The 7.62 Nato is not an intermediate powered cartridge and when I qualified with it it had no selective fire feature and I don't believe most of them issued had the selective fire ability. My vote goes to the AK 47. | 
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03-30-2007, 03:32 AM
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#197 | | Banned
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Country:  | HAHAHAHAHA You Guys are bloody awesome, every world war two site ive visited ive always left a a comment about the ak-47 in the second world war and i am very, no actually extremely pleased to say your the first site to pick up that the Ak-47 was not used or manufactured untill 1978 long after the second world war.
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03-30-2007, 03:44 AM
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Country: | Sorry guys about the false information above i always get the manufacture dates mixed up between the Ak-47 (1947) and the date the Soviet Union started replacing the ak-47 with the AKM (197  . | |
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03-30-2007, 09:13 AM
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#199 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | This site is a serious site about WW2 and specifically WW2 aviation, what did you expect?
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03-30-2007, 11:49 AM
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Country: | Guys, I've heard that the M4 has less "knock down" or range (it was one of the two, maybe both) than the standard full sized M16(whatever variant we're on now). Is this statement true? I could understand the range because there is simply less barrel for the bullet to fly through, but does the "knock down" have to do with a lower velocity or something?
As per a rifle, give me the Italian variant of the Garand they have been using until recently, or an M14 shortened (SOCOM does this, right?). Baring either one of those, I would gladly take a G36. I'll give the M4 the accuracy and ease of use, but give me a 7.62 NATO and NOT a flippin 5.56x45mm NATO round. | |
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03-30-2007, 12:32 PM
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#201 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I have never heard of a difference in the "knockdown" power between the M4 and the M16 and I have used both, however neither is exceptional in that way because of the 5.56mm round.
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03-30-2007, 02:14 PM
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#202 | | Senior Member
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Guys, I've heard that the M4 has less "knock down" or range (it was one of the two, maybe both) than the standard full sized M16(whatever variant we're on now). Is this statement true? I could understand the range because there is simply less barrel for the bullet to fly through, but does the "knock down" have to do with a lower velocity or something?
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Well there is an accuracy difference between the two, the M4 has a shorter barrel hense the round is naturally gonna fall short some distance,
i think what your talking about is stopping power, which really theres no difference because they fire the same ammo
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03-30-2007, 02:23 PM
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#203 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Okay, just heard that there was lower velocities involved in the M4 due to shorter barrel, and the assumption I had was this might effect the knock down punch. Thanks for clarifying things for me! | |
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03-30-2007, 03:43 PM
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#204 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | There is less kinetic energy in rounds out of the M4 versus M-16 due to a difference in barrel length. However the difference in KE is relatively small. And with military steel core bullets, not civie hollowpoints or match bullets, the difference in velocity does not significantly impact bullet fragmentation. In fact, one of the biggest complaints about current M855 rounds is that typically full penetration of a soft target occurs. Thus, "knockdown" power, as perhaps defined as transferring all energy to your target, is not maximized anyway.
An if someone wants to write volumes on temporary wound cavities, energy transfer, hydrostatic shock, etc. Start a new thread.
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03-30-2007, 08:59 PM
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Country: | Im sorry guys but ive been to alot of ww2 forums that are filled with people that know jack crap. but im pleased ive actually found a good ww2 forum. | |
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03-31-2007, 01:01 AM
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#206 | | Senior Member
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Country: | thats your misconception...............i actually know f*ck all
back me up on this Adler 
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03-31-2007, 02:07 AM
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03-31-2007, 02:08 AM
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#208 | | aka Dickcheese
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03-31-2007, 02:15 AM
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#209 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Im sorry guys but ive been to alot of ww2 forums that are filled with people that know jack crap. but im pleased ive actually found a good ww2 forum.
| And in the years we have been here we have seen a large number of jackoffs who think they are knowitalls, when in reality they are actually dontknowshitters...
Now that u have established that we kind of know wtf we are talking about here, its time to fly the straight and narrow and stop with the gay ass routine... If u've noticed, we dont put up with sh!t here, so button up, keep ur powder dry and dont be a wise-ass...
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Originally Posted by HaWk3r T3mP3sT  Im sorry guys but ive been to alot of ww2 forums that are filled with people that know jack crap. but im pleased ive actually found a good ww2 forum. | And the SHIFT key. It's on the left hand side of the keyboard. Live it. Love it. Learn it.
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