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04-12-2007, 11:13 AM
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#241 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | I like my C7A1 assault rifle (M16)
its accurate, light and low recoil, and i look so sexy holding it too
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04-12-2007, 03:26 PM
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#242 | | Senior Member
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| Anyone mention the Fabrique Nationale SCAR ( Special Forces Combat Assault Rifle) yet? The Heavy (SCAR-H), chambered in 7.62 NATO looks interesting. I understand it is in current use with U.S. special forces. 
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04-13-2007, 10:42 PM
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#243 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country:  | From what I have heard, it has not been adopted. Even in small numbers. The whole acquisition of a new rifle was put on hold. This holds true with the acquisition of a new pistol too.
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04-13-2007, 11:38 PM
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| Well, I know for a fact that it's currently in use although to be fair, I do not know how widespread among special forces. Do you have a source for that information? I'm not seeing anything indicating that adoption has been put on hold. It wouldn't surprise me in light of current funding issues though.
Just six months ago it was still a go. DefenseNews.com - Extra Funds To RefineU.S. Special Forces’ Multiuse Future Rifle - 10/09/06 13:59
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04-13-2007, 11:48 PM
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#245 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | I read it in American Rifleman. The whole program was put on hold.
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04-14-2007, 12:00 AM
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#246 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Yea.... I know a few guys who ran this weap through some trials, and they liked the weapon, however, they preferred the shorter 253 millimeter (9.96 inch) barrel on the Mk16, but the 7.62mm round of the Mk17.... The best of both worlds??? Not likely...
Also, the sheer bulk and size of the weapon had some of the guys concerned about it CQC performance, not to mention the weight unloaded is over 7 pounds....
The M4A1 weighs in at 6 1/2 pounds with 30 rounds...
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04-14-2007, 07:37 AM
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| I understand from the forum over at Military.com that the March 7, 2007 American Riflemen show did a segment on it on it and there was no mention of the hold.
Do you know what issue it was in?
Les, I think the M4A1 actually weighs in closer to 7.5lbs with a full load of love. You weren't looking at WIKIPEDIA were you?
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04-14-2007, 07:52 AM
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#248 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | No, just going off of memory.... U may be right...
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04-15-2007, 03:27 PM
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#249 | | aka Dickcheese
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Originally Posted by Jank  I understand from the forum over at Military.com that the March 7, 2007 American Riflemen show did a segment on it on it and there was no mention of the hold.
Do you know what issue it was in?
Les, I think the M4A1 actually weighs in closer to 7.5lbs with a full load of love. You weren't looking at WIKIPEDIA were you? | I don't recall and it may have been one of the other rags that I subsribe to. The idea of finding a new rifle has been ongoing for years and years. However, there was a program that was initiated wherein HK, Colt, and some other manufacturers submitted designs that were narrowed down to a handful of interim products. Colt cried foul because the submittals by HK and others were effectively modified M4s (hell they even looked like Colt's rifle). These other manufacturers claimed that the gas system was significantly modified to make use of a pushrod, thus avoiding the fouling problems with the current M4s. Colt made such a legal stink that this dem/eval program was put on hold. That is what I am referring to.
This overall search for a new weapon continues to get a modicum of funding, but with no real end in sight.
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04-15-2007, 07:49 PM
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| Matt308 said, "This overall search for a new weapon continues to get a modicum of funding, but with no real end in sight."
It sounds like you are maintaining that the SCAR program has been halted, is on hold or is just a stop gap for something more permanent.
Let me know if you come across anything that indicates that the SCAR has not been selected as the replacement rifle for the special forces, or that the program has been halted as I would certainly be interested in reading it.
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04-18-2007, 03:15 PM
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#251 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | I'll keep an eye out. It is apparent that various factions within DoD are vying for funding.
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04-18-2007, 10:14 PM
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| I'd personally not recommend such a weapon, I suspect its way too light for the round it uses. I'd much rather have the new 6.8mm weapons be deployed.
And if you want a 7.62x51mm assault rifle then there's plenty of excellent older, cheaper and proven designs out there...
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04-18-2007, 10:48 PM
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04-19-2007, 05:53 PM
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#254 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | This is what I used in my time in the Swedish Rangers the AK4..... THE best rifle that I ever had! 
The Ak 4 is a Swedish version of the German Heckler & Koch G3 battle rifle.
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04-19-2007, 06:57 PM
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Country: | Rollerblock breach design. Has a sharp recoil compared to locked breach gas piston/impingement. But in .223, how bad could it be. Wish I owned one.
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