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01-06-2007, 06:08 PM
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01-06-2007, 06:45 PM
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#107 | | Minister of Whoopass
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01-06-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  I've fired AK-47s, M-16s and M-14s. Although heavy, I like the M-14 although the AK was a close second - I did feel the M-16 was more accurate. | FBJ this is why I don't challenge your judgement.
AK in ANY dirty condition. M-16 for accuracy. M-14 for both.
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01-06-2007, 06:53 PM
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Country: | Les, while in the SEALS, how many time did you practice with AK versus other obscure makes.
'Nuff said.
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01-06-2007, 06:59 PM
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#110 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | I actually qualified with a higher score on the AK as opposed to the M-16 and M-4A1...
I would never want to lug around that much weight of the M-14 when there are lighter and better weapons available.... Hump it 60 miles in the jungles of South America for a week???
Piss on that...
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01-06-2007, 07:02 PM
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#111 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | We practiced all the time Matt.... Once an Operator gets settled with his preferred load out, u stick with what works.... The Teams were a testbed for many diferent weapons designs...
As for non-NATO weaponry, we were constantly acclimating ourselves with what was out there and what we would possible run into out in the field...
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01-07-2007, 04:31 AM
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#112 | | Master of Ewes
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Originally Posted by plan_D Not enough for it to be even considered a decent assault rifle, alongside the AK-47. | I'd agree too i was simply saying it was improved, but surely the SUSAT counts for something?
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01-07-2007, 12:15 PM
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#113 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D Certainly above the SA-80, which is crap. | Have to agree. When compared with the AK and the M-16 it is a crap weapon. I remember training up in England and the Brits telling us they would love to get rid of it.
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01-07-2007, 12:20 PM
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Country: | don't disagree with either of your posts, Les. I too said AK. But M-14 is my favorite for looks, operation, stopping power. I think I was the first guy to admit that I would not want to schlepp anything but the lightest weapon with the biggest punch anywhere. I'm lazy by nature. And a pound, let alone 4 or 5lbs, makes a HUGE difference over the course of a day.
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01-07-2007, 03:38 PM
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#115 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass I'd agree too i was simply saying it was improved, but surely the SUSAT counts for something? | The SUSAT was something cool to play with, but it was nothing spectacular. It really does not enhance your shooting ability.
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01-07-2007, 08:13 PM
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Country: | Did you guys use the ACOG or the EOTech holographic sight. I like the ACOG, ALOT!
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01-08-2007, 09:34 AM
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#117 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I have used the ACOG. We had it mounted to our M-4s. I liked the ACOG better than the SUSAT. The ACOG was a bitch to sight in in my opinion but once it was sighted in it took all the fun away from aiming.
As for EOTech, I have not used that one at all.
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01-08-2007, 11:53 AM
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#118 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I didn't have problems sighting in the ACOG. Were you unable to adjust for windage and elevation and had to shim the sight? If so, sounds like a mounting problem on the rifle. I have to admit, mine virtually fell in.
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01-08-2007, 02:26 PM
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#119 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The main problem we had was this, our Armourer was stupid and mounted the sight too far foward and the sight rail. Once that was figured out, it was pretty quick to sight in.
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01-08-2007, 02:39 PM
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Country: | Ah. That would explain it. You mount that thing to far forward and you lose your sight picture. The eye relief on the ACOG is not infinite by any stretch of the imagination.
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