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10-18-2007, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  I'm still with the Hurricane....... | Agreed | 
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10-18-2007, 07:33 AM
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#317 | | Der Crewchief
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10-18-2007, 07:45 AM
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Of course the Hurricane was the one that 'won' the BoB as there were twice as many as Spitfires. But I don't know if that can qualify for 'best'. I don't think anyone can argue that the Hurricane was a better fighter than the Spitfire. Or ...? 
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10-18-2007, 07:59 AM
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Country: | No one ever said the Hurricane was the better fighter. It is not asking for the best Fighter of the Battle of Britian but rather asking the best Battle of Britian Aircraft. The Hurricane bore the brunt of the Battle of Britian and therefore we think the Hurricane was the best Battle of Britian aircraft.
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10-24-2007, 03:25 PM
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If the question is about performance, it's a tossup between the Spitfire and Me-109. If the question is about relative importance, it's a tossup among those two and the Hurricane. Hitler wanted to conquer and occupy Britain, but to do that he had to eliminate the Royal Air Force. Although the Luftwaffe's bombers were the planes dropping the bombs, they were sitting ducks for RAF fighters, so what the Battle of Britain amounted to at its essence was duel between the RAF's and Luftwaffe's fighters (i.e., the whole Battle was decided by fighters, not by bombers), a duel which the Luftwaffe failed to win. That is, the RAF and Britain "won" the Battle for the simple reason that Fighter Command remained a fighting force till the Luftwaffe gave up its attempt to knock out the RAF, switched to night bombing of cities, and permanently postponed its invasion (Operation Sealion). While the Spitfire and Me-109 were roughly equal to each other, the Hurricane was just a notch below, i.e. Hurricanes with competent pilots were capable of contending with Me-109s when necessary. | |
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10-24-2007, 04:13 PM
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Country: | It's also a question of tactics.. what do u want to wipe out first, enemy bombers or fighters?
Yes the Hurricane's shot down alot of planes but they were mostly bombers while the spits tangled with fighters.
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10-25-2007, 08:49 AM
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Country:  | You should always aim for the bombers, they're the planes that will be causing damage. Yes, the fighters carried the bombers to their targets but the fact remains - the bombers will destroy more aircraft than fighters, if they get through.
Bombers do all the work; bombing airfields, factories, marshall yards, distribution plants - the bombers destroy aircraft before they're made, before they're painted, before they're delivered and before they've taken off.
Always go for the bombers, and always go for the bombers that are heading for their target - not away. The Hurricane/Spitifire combination was great, it would have been a lot better if the Hurricane had its 4 x 20 mm in the BoB - but we can't have everything!
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10-25-2007, 09:19 AM
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10-25-2007, 02:32 PM
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Country: | Spitfire for me. Though plan D has a point about the Hurricane being the workhorse bomber hunter. The glamor of the Spit is in the dogfight.
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10-26-2007, 09:48 AM
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Country:  | I seem to remember that several sources claim that the story that Hurricanes went for the bombers and Spits for the fighters is a myth. Bombers were always first priority as far as I recall, also for the Spitfires.
Furthermore, quite some BF109's have been shot down by Hurricanes.
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10-29-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcel I seem to remember that several sources claim that the story that Hurricanes went for the bombers and Spits for the fighters is a myth. Bombers were always first priority as far as I recall, also for the Spitfires.
Furthermore, quite some BF109's have been shot down by Hurricanes. | RAF brass did vector Hurricanes to bombers and Spitfires to fighters when possible, because of the slight difference in performance between the Hurricane and the Spitfire & Me-109. However, of course it was impossible to keep up such a separation of duties during the confusion of the battle, especially since all single seat German fighters during the BoB were Me-109s, while practically 2/3rds of single seat British fighters were Hurricanes; with those numbers, there weren't enough Spitfires to go around, and it was impossible to prevent Hurricane vs. Me-109 encounters. Fortunately for Britain, Fighter Command's "other" fighter apart from the Spitfire was the Hurricane and NOT the Boulton Paul Defiant, Bristol Blenheim, or Gloster Gladiator. | |
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11-03-2007, 03:59 PM
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Country: | I wonder what would've happened if the Beaufighter was available a few months earlier? With a Spitfire escort they could've torn into bomber streams almost at will
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11-08-2007, 01:45 PM
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Country: | As mentioned before, the Bristol Beaufughter was not involved during the Battle of Britain. The first five Beaufighter IFs were handed over to the R.A.F. on July 27, 1940. These were followed on August 3rd by a further five.
No.25 and 29 Squadrons each received a single Beaufighter on September 2, 1940. No.29 Squadron becoming operational with the type on September 17, 1940 with No.25 Squadron following on October 10th. | |
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11-13-2007, 01:16 AM
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Country: | It's funny, if there were no such thing as a German bombers able to fly to Britain, would enemy fighters have made much of an air impact in BOB agains't Allied fighters and targets?
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11-13-2007, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Negative Creep I wonder what would've happened if the Beaufighter was available a few months earlier? With a Spitfire escort they could've torn into bomber streams almost at will | Yes and I wonder how the Boulton-Paul Defiant can outvote the Beaufighter! ( 6 for the Beau vs. 7 for the Defiant) | |
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