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12-18-2004, 03:46 PM
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#76 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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My point was though was that Galland was nt appreciating the effectiveness of the Hurricane so I tried to shed some light on it.
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12-18-2004, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Adolf Galland i really don't konw y people think that the spit is SUPERIOR to the me-109, i think that the me-109 is just as good as the spit, depending on the pliot, but how is the hurricane better than the 109? even a buffelo(worst fighter in servise in the USAAF) is better than it. another reason i think that u people vote 4 the spit over the 109 is because the allies won the war, and most of u are in the allie countrys  anywayz as i said, the 109 also got a armament adventage of having 20MM cannons even on the early visons
i would welcome anybody to make a comment about this. | I think the original Adolf Galland said it best when Hitler asked him what he needed to beat the British and he answered "A squadron of Spitfires" this is a quite famous quote.
My major problem with the bf-109 it that provisions were never made to give it the fuel to do the job it was asked to do in the BOB. It just wasn't up to the task, the Spit was. |
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12-18-2004, 04:55 PM
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12-19-2004, 06:51 AM
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#79 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | the spit was considdered more manouverable than the hurricance, however both could turn inside the 109.........
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12-19-2004, 07:54 AM
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the spit was considdered more manouverable than the hurricance, however both could turn inside the 109.........
| did u just say that both the spit nd hurrican can OUTTURN the 109?
No, i admit that the spit can, but the hurricans? they are sitting ducks!! |
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12-19-2004, 11:11 AM
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#81 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | hurricane pilots siad they could turn inside the 109....................
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12-19-2004, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Adolf Galland did u just say that both the spit nd hurrican can OUTTURN the 109?
No, i admit that the spit can, but the hurricans? they are sitting ducks!! | Many a 109 pilot made the same mistake
The Bf 109 was better in many respects, but not in a turning fight.
With two pilots of the same skill and determination, a Hurricane will always out-turn a 109.
Its to do with wing load ratio, the higher a wing load ratio is, normally, the wider the turning circle. The Bf had the highest wing-loading ratio of the 3, and the Hurricane had the lowest. 
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12-19-2004, 03:42 PM
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Country: | Finally! The Beaufighter has got a vote!
The Bolton Paul Defiants were sitting ducks, Adolf, Not the Hurricanes...
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12-20-2004, 01:11 PM
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#84 | | Master of Ewes
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12-20-2004, 01:35 PM
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#85 | | He who does not skim
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12-20-2004, 03:51 PM
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Country: | No really they did  Bf-109 pilots thought they were Hurricanes, crept up behind them, and got shot to **** by the turret. When they found this out though it became a sitting duck. 
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12-20-2004, 03:53 PM
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#87 | | He who does not skim
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12-20-2004, 04:52 PM
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Country: | Funny fact about the Spitfire/Hurricane thing...
"I was finally on duty in the RAF, assigned to Tangmere, one of the main bases of the Battle of Britain. At the beginning, I was flying a Hurricane, a wonderful plane, strong as a rock. They said that the Spitfire won the Battle of Britain, but it's a legend. [...] Even Germans knew this legend about the Spitfire. The great Peter Townsend told me one day that he got lucky enough to meet, in a hospital, a German pilot he shot down.
"I'm glad to meet the Spitfire pilot who shot me down" said the German pilot.
"No, no. I was piloting a Hurricane !" said Peter.
He got a hard time to convince the German pilot. But this one finally said :
"Right, but if ever you meet one of my friends, tell him that I've been shot down by a Spitfire !"
- James A. Goodson (Flew with the RCAF 416 squadron, then transferred to the USAAF 133 squadron (Eagle squadron) at the end of 1942.) |
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12-20-2004, 04:56 PM
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#89 | | He who does not skim
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12-20-2004, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer  Ha! Take that Hurricane fans!  | Thats no way to talk about what a number of sources claim is the highest scoring Allied aircraft of WW2 
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