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05-17-2005, 07:52 AM
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#121 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I would go with the Hs-123 or the Swordfish. For historical purposes alone I would go with the Swordfish though. She took part in some of the most important battles of the war.
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05-17-2005, 08:37 AM
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#122 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass Quote: |
It BLITZES the Swordfish in all but payload
| but isn't payload kinda important for a bomber?? sorry- "non-fighter"?? | Especially if its a TORPEDO  | One of the major uses of the Swordfish which never gets mentioned was as a night bomber in the N.African desert campaign.
It was successful in this role, due in large measure to the highly skilled RN navigators. The featureless desert required the same type of navigational skill as flying over vast spaces of water.
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05-17-2005, 12:40 PM
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#123 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | They also did a good part against the German shipping trying to get supplies to North Africa.
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05-17-2005, 02:08 PM
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#124 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | They certainly did. Out of every four supply ships sent to Rommel in N.Africa, only one got through!
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05-17-2005, 04:30 PM
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#125 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by plan_D They certainly did. Out of every four supply ships sent to Rommel in N.Africa, only one got through! | Not quite, the loss rate of the Axis convoy run to N.Africa was approximately 15%
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05-17-2005, 05:23 PM
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Country: | So 17 out of every 20 got through, that's still an important tonnage but it can't all be attributed to Stringbags, there were Beus on Malta and RN subs were based there aswell
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05-18-2005, 09:36 AM
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#127 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I've been informed by World at War that it was one out of every four got through. Sounds more believable to me because Rommel wouldn't have been so desperate for supplies if it was a mere 15% kill rate for the Royal Navy.
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05-18-2005, 05:30 PM
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#128 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | I just got back from the Fleet air arm museum in Yeoville and so far as best as I can find out for the Med the gross tonnage of supply shipping
sunk by Swordfish operating mainly out of Malta and North Africa is around 600,000 tons there was some where in the region of 200,000-300,000 tons damaged these are merchant vessels only and does'nt include naval (and as you say Mossie) Beaus or other aircraft that also took a big chunk out of Rommels supply line as well
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05-19-2005, 12:57 PM
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#129 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | you guys should read "the ship busters" lots of great stories about torp. attacks and the stringbag truely is amazing...........
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05-19-2005, 01:26 PM
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Country:  | One of the best plane during WW2 was probably the or were the; Gloster Gladiator, for the defence of Yalta, The Fairey Swordfish, for patrol bombing and anti-shipping activities, the Fiat CR. 42 Falco, for The Italian's.
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05-19-2005, 01:29 PM
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#131 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | the role of the gladiators in the defence of malta has been hugely over exaggerated..........
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05-19-2005, 01:37 PM
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#132 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Well if it wasn't for them who would have defended Yalta then.
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05-19-2005, 01:44 PM
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Country: | In the begining the four Sea Gladiators that arrived (as you say Elmo) where all that was on the Island although navel aircraft where at work out at sea. Your right Lanc it was a bit later when the hurries arrived the the real difference was felt.
Also the Fulmars of 806 flight from the crippled Illustrious that ended up on Malta working alongside the Hurricanes had a fair share of success as well .
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05-19-2005, 02:02 PM
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#134 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D They certainly did. Out of every four supply ships sent to Rommel in N.Africa, only one got through! | Not quite, the loss rate of the Axis convoy run to N.Africa was approximately 15% | And where do you get this from? Every thing that I have read and watched has stated 1 out of 4 got though and that is basically what did Rommel in. I have read books about Rommel and met with his son Manfred (his son was mayor of the city where I lived) and they have all confirmed this.
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05-19-2005, 03:13 PM
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Country: | I sure you're right Adler I have just finished a book by Dave Wragg and he says the same the Desert campaign was always about supplys even for the allies, thats why it went too an fro several times over such a large distance in the end only the allies could keep resupplying and the Afrika Corp ran out of Fuel, food,ammo, spares. In fact just about everything.
Rommel had to withdraw or loose his army.
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