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01-07-2005, 05:16 PM
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| and the fact that the Ki-84 is way better then itz zero counter part | 
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01-07-2005, 05:16 PM
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Country:  | Almost any dogfight can be brought to pilot skill. 
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01-07-2005, 05:19 PM
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| yea, ever heard of the story of a US marine pliot shot down 3 of the 11 Zero that he fought single handed w/ his lone Buffelo? | |
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01-07-2005, 05:20 PM
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| The best dogfighter in WW2 was the A6M Zero without question, even Spitfire pilots didn't dog-fight with it, they fought the Zero in the same way every other Allied fighter did.
They used their far better performance to bounce and then break off, never getting into a turning fight.
My 2nd best dog-fighter would be one not on the list, the Hawker Hurricane.
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01-07-2005, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by redcoat The best dogfighter in WW2 was the A6M Zero without question, even Spitfire pilots didn't dog-fight with it, they fought the Zero in the same way every other Allied fighter did.
They used their far better performance to bounce and then break off, never getting into a turning fight.
My 2nd best dog-fighter would be one not on the list, the Hawker Hurricane. | WHAT? ARE U KIDDING ME? HURRICANE? OMG UR MAD; THERE IS SO MANY FIGHTERS THAT ARE BETTER THAN IT: P-51, P-38, P-47, Spit, Me-109, Fw-190, and a lot more!! | |
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01-07-2005, 05:25 PM
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| and the fact that the Zero is not the best, even the Japs admit that the Ki-84 is a far better fighter... | |
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01-07-2005, 05:34 PM
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| Actually, the Hurricane was one of the best.
Whether or not there are better ones than it, that's his opinion.
Also, the La-7 seems to be missing, seeing as how it's not there, I'll say La-5FN. | |
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01-07-2005, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Adolf Galland WHAT? ARE U KIDDING ME? HURRICANE? OMG UR MAD; THERE IS SO MANY FIGHTERS THAT ARE BETTER THAN IT: P-51, P-38, P-47, Spit, Me-109, Fw-190, and a lot more!! | I suggest you read the original question a little more carefully.
the question asked was;
"What was the best Dog-fighter "
Not what was the best fighter.
In a turning battle, , the Hawker Hurricane, if both pilots were of the same skill and determination, would beat everyone of the aircraft you mentioned.
The advantages the other aircraft had was in speed, climb and dive.
They would use these advantages to engage the Hurricane only when they had the advantage, and avoid it when they didn't
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01-07-2005, 05:42 PM
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| wait redcoat: the hurrican is very bad in turn fights so i don't know wut ur talking about | |
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01-07-2005, 05:43 PM
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Country: | Excuse me? The Spitfire didn't engage the Zero in a turning fight? The Spitfire could engage the Zero anyway it wanted, it could turn much better than anything else in the skies over the CBI the Allies had.
The Spitfire could run rings around the Zero and blast it with .50s or 20mm. That is why it got a 8 : 1 kill ratio. And Hurricane turning inside of everything Allied? Are you on drugs, or is it a mental deficiant?
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01-07-2005, 05:44 PM
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| If the Hurricane was so bad in turn fights, why was its BoB score so much better than the Spitfires, in both fighter and bomber kills?
Its turn abilities are about on par with the Zero's, so long as you don't stall it... | |
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01-07-2005, 05:49 PM
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Country: | I don't believe I stated it was a bad turner. I said it couldn't turn inside everything. The reason the Hurricane got better kills in the BoB was not because it was a better plane, it was because there were 32 Squadrons of them and only 11 Squadrons of Spitfire.
If the Hurricane was so good, why was it taken from frontline service in 1942?
And don't get me wrong, I love the Hurricane. It was the saviour of Britain but the Spitfire is factually a better plane.
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01-07-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D I don't believe I stated it was a bad turner. I said it couldn't turn inside everything. The reason the Hurricane got better kills in the BoB was not because it was a better plane, it was because there were 32 Squadrons of them and only 11 Squadrons of Spitfire.
If the Hurricane was so good, why was it taken from frontline service in 1942?
And don't get me wrong, I love the Hurricane. It was the saviour of Britain but the Spitfire is factually a better plane. |
Actually, I was responding to Adolf's comments...
Unless of course you were responding to redcoat... | |
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01-07-2005, 06:01 PM
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