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01-07-2005, 11:21 PM
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#46 | | Your ad here. ;)
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Country:  | Actually the P-47 was surprising to many because for it's size, it was quite manueverable. While they were testing the P-47C, the army discovered that it had the best aileron roll rate of any US fighter. Considering it was about twice the size of it's contemporaries, I'd say it faired very well. Not my top choice for a dogfighter, but still got the job done when it was needed. But I will say that it was a better ground attack airplane.
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01-07-2005, 11:37 PM
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#47 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | I said this before, and Ill say it again... Many German Aces with victory markings over Gabreskis and Johnsons were shot outta the sky by relative newbies inn P-47s.....
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01-08-2005, 05:02 AM
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Country:  | Excuse me, evan. How were the British losing Spitfires to the Zero? Spitfires didn't reach the CBI until 1943.
redcoat, have you got a sense of humour? And if it's in combat, you can pull up, dive and flip to get advantages over your enemy not just turn. Have you got Il-2 FB? I want a dogfight. 
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01-08-2005, 05:39 AM
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#49 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country:  | FW-190 D series.
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01-08-2005, 06:24 AM
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#50 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | that reminds me, CC, we were gonna have a dogfight..............
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01-08-2005, 08:36 AM
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#51 | | Your ad here. ;)
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Country: | I will have to find the source, I read it in one of my books that the Zeroes were taking down the early marks of the Spitfire. It was more a question of tactics at that time. But my source material could have been wrong. Either way, the zero was a mean machine early in the war.
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01-08-2005, 10:35 AM
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#52 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Wow this topic REALLY exploded overnight...good discussions going on...
Dont think I can fight this weekend lanc, my PZL needs to be repaired by the ground crew as I crashed it trying to fly upside down under a bridge...
(it means im busy tomorrow and working on my car )
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01-08-2005, 11:01 AM
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#53 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | The race is on between the Mk XIV and the Dora-9.......
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01-08-2005, 11:28 AM
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#54 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | Indeed it is... I always thought that the D-9 wasnt that manoeverable?
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01-08-2005, 11:30 AM
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#55 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Boy were u wrong....
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01-08-2005, 12:56 PM
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| The 190 rolled better than any fighter of the war. In turn rate, it wasn't that special.
As far as the P-47 is concerned, it only rolled well with the engine torque. It's turn rate was rather poor and its climb was ridiculous. I'm not saying it wasn't an effective fighter, but it was not a true dogfighter.
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01-08-2005, 01:24 PM
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#57 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i agree i wouldn't considder it a true dogfighter.............
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01-08-2005, 01:30 PM
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#58 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Whatever U consider it, its gotten 2 votes already.....
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01-08-2005, 01:32 PM
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| I think that's peronal bias.
I mean, the P-38 was my all time favorite aircraft. I think it was one of the best fighters of the war and properly flown a very good dogfighter, but I'm not trying to argue it was the BEST dogfighter of the war.
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01-08-2005, 01:35 PM
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#60 | | Senior Member
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| umm...that the Hurricane scored more kills than Spits in the Battle of Britain is first because it had more Hurricane sq.s, and second its because in the real world (not in games) the Spit is harder to fly than the Hurricane and almost all fighter pliots agreed that the Hurricane was really a easy plane 2 fly... | |
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