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11-14-2005, 06:19 PM
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11-14-2005, 06:51 PM
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11-14-2005, 09:08 PM
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| My pick was a simple one. The Bf-109E/F. If you fight the Battle of Britain right and let the Bf-109 fly a loose escort then the British would have probably lost. The tactics employed by the Germans and the speed of the 109 is what made it a winner. I also like the gun package they carried.
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11-15-2005, 12:14 PM
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#139 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | regardless of what escort was flown it was the change in german tactics from bombing airfeilds to cities that lost them the battle, amoung other things obviously........
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11-16-2005, 02:03 PM
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#140 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Yeap Lanc that was it. I dont think the type of aircraft would matter. They lost it by bad decisions.
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01-17-2008, 07:29 AM
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Country: | The Fw 190A was the best fighter of this time period. The Bf 109F and Spitfire V were equals, with some edge to the Bf 109F - in my opinion. It was not until the Spitfire IX came into mass production that the RAF gained a fighter that could tangle with the best of them, and frankly the Spitfire IX maintained its record until 1945.
I know this is an old thread, but hey - no need to let it die.
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01-17-2008, 10:56 PM
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Country: | I voted Fw 190A but with reservations.
The designs evolved amazingly between all combatants - If you start at 1939 and put an anchor that starts there and continues through 1942 I have to look hard at the Spit IX or the P-38F or Me 109E/F and ask 'what are judging on'.
Of all the combatants that existed in 1942 the most 'incremental' evolution occurred in Mustang, Corsair and Focke Wulf.
Provocative question requiring objective evealuation criteria. I think if I had been a fighter pilot in constant struggle for control of my airspace in defencse in 1942 it is between Fw 190, Spit IX and Me 109F
If I want to go deep and have great capability at medium to medium high altitude I go P-38F
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01-24-2008, 01:09 PM
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| The FW-190A for sure, but the Bf-109F-4 is a close second. Both could reach 670 km/h at alt, which is pretty impressive for the time period.
As for going long and deep, well how long & deep are we talking here? The Fw-190A & Bf-109F could both carry drop tanks, so range was pretty decent by then.
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01-24-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass  regardless of what escort was flown it was the change in german tactics from bombing airfeilds to cities that lost them the battle, amoung other things obviously........ | Definitely; the Luftwaffe almost had the RAF beaten into submission by bombing and strafing their airfields, when Goring made the fateful decision to start bombing the cities instead, thereby giving the RAF enough breathing room to regroup & rearm. I understand it was a very near thing, as the RAF almost ran out of planes & pilots, when the Luftwaffe shifted tactics. If the Luftwaffe had continued their assault on British airpower (including their radar stations), they probably would've won the Battle.
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01-24-2008, 02:56 PM
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| How on earth do you chose between the 190 and the Spit IX? | 
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01-24-2008, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Glider How on earth do you chose between the 190 and the Spit IX? | Glider, for me the Spit IX was in my opinion a better (slightly) pure fighter than the 190 (and the Mustang) but I felt the 190A was more versatile, as a fighter bomber for example, and could have easily been converted to fleet version had the LW had a carrier fleet. | |
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01-24-2008, 03:21 PM
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| I can't see why the Spit IX was a better pure fighter than the Fw-190A, except if we're talking late 44 to 45 where the +25lbs boosted version appeared, but AFAIK this was only used for chasing V-1's and had a very short service life.
However we need to consider the Bf-109 here as-well, which considering its climb rate, speed and agility is a serious contender and atleast the equal of the Spitfire as a pure fighter, if not slightly better. The Bf-109 G-2 and Spitfire IX were very equal on all aspects of flight really.
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01-24-2008, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren The FW-190A for sure, but the Bf-109F-4 is a close second. Both could reach 670 km/h at alt, which is pretty impressive for the time period.
As for going long and deep, well how long & deep are we talking here? The Fw-190A & Bf-109F could both carry drop tanks, so range was pretty decent by then. | Soren, do you have any numbers on how far and long a mission could be for these two fighters with the drop tanks?
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01-24-2008, 04:32 PM
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| Not currently at hand since I'm not at home but, IIRC the Fw-190 has a range of 1200 - 1300 km with a single 300 L drop tank. The Fw-190 could carry up to three drop tanks however, so max range was probably ~2100 -2200 km.
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