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10-05-2005, 03:53 PM
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#106 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Since the subject of the thread is 1939-1942, I dont think we need to discuss what the P38 was doing after Jan 1 1943. | If you check the post after I adressed the P-51/P-47 comment I discussed the '39/'42 issue. I agree this should be kept on topic as much as possible.
Curzon,
Martin Cadin was only 1 of the sources that claim that ratio. Martins books are sometimes derided because he he takes license sometimes, in the Forked Tailed Devil he mixes both the old myths and some real good stuff I would rate it as 6.5/7 out of 10 on the truth scale. Warren Bodies book and the Planes and Pilots page (a link is an earlier post) are both very good sources of P-38 data and history.
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10-05-2005, 11:11 PM
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| Curzon,
Martin Cadin was only 1 of the sources that claim that ratio. Martins books are sometimes derided because he he takes license sometimes, in the Forked Tailed Devil he mixes both the old myths and some real good stuff I would rate it as 6.5/7 out of 10 on the truth scale. Warren Bodies book and the Planes and Pilots page (a link is an earlier post) are both very good sources of P-38 data and history.[quote]
Oh I know this. I have both books but did not know this website existed until the post. Still I am glad that someone else besides me came to the rescue of the USAAF. Sometimes I think that the USAAF fighter force in the ETO is overshadowed by the RAF and the GAF because the latter two organizations seem to have a more romantic image. But I do have to admit that the USAAF in the ETO/MTO did not come into its own until mid '43.
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10-06-2005, 12:23 AM
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Country:  | The Me-109E actually saw combat in the Spanish Civil War. There were apparently forty-four E-model Me-109s serving with the Kondor Legion by the wars end. They were E-1s and E-3s.
The source: Emiliani, A. and Ghergo, G.F. (1986) Nei Cieli di Spagna - 1936-39 Immagini e documenti delle Forze Aeree in Guerra. Giorgi Apostolo Editore, Madrid.
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10-06-2005, 11:44 AM
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#109 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Your probably right but the point was that no matter which aircraft he is talking about weather it be the Fw-190, Bf-109, or the Spitfire they saw action before 1942 and not over N. Afrika (yes they saw action in N. Afrika but that was not the first place) and it was not the Fw-190 or the Bf-109 that would stall out in a dive or climb. Just trying to get some facts straight here. 
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10-06-2005, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Your probably right but the point was that no matter which aircraft he is talking about weather it be the Fw-190, Bf-109, or the Spitfire they saw action before 1942 and not over N. Afrika (yes they saw action in N. Afrika but that was not the first place) and it was not the Fw-190 or the Bf-109 that would stall out in a dive or climb. Just trying to get some facts straight here. | I'm not sure what you mean, The Spit had a negitive G carb problem and in the flight regimes in the MTO the P-38 climbed/dived/turned with any of the others, as for stall the P-38 was the best of any aircraft in WWII.
If were talking '39, '41 the P-38 and nouth Africa doesn't belong, I think most of us included '42.
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10-06-2005, 07:01 PM
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Country: | The Spitfire wouldn't stall out in a dive or climb except in special circumstances. The problem was with inverted dives, the engine would cut out because of the carb. This was solved in the Spitfire V. The Spitfire IX was introduced in 1942 and didn't have the problem at all.
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10-06-2005, 09:06 PM
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Country:  | No what i meant was that the, never mind I still think the Hurricane was an all around good plane and because its cobat record was very seasond it was the best of this time period.
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10-07-2005, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wmaxt Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Your probably right but the point was that no matter which aircraft he is talking about weather it be the Fw-190, Bf-109, or the Spitfire they saw action before 1942 and not over N. Afrika (yes they saw action in N. Afrika but that was not the first place) and it was not the Fw-190 or the Bf-109 that would stall out in a dive or climb. Just trying to get some facts straight here. | I'm not sure what you mean, The Spit had a negitive G carb problem and in the flight regimes in the MTO the P-38 climbed/dived/turned with any of the others, as for stall the P-38 was the best of any aircraft in WWII.
If were talking '39, '41 the P-38 and nouth Africa doesn't belong, I think most of us included '42.
wmaxt | No I was not talking about the P-38.
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10-07-2005, 01:54 PM
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10-07-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Jug Rules! Bristol Beufighter...I havent heard much about her. What did she do besides ground attack? | Nightfighter
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10-07-2005, 02:31 PM
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Country: | I seem to remember that the Beaufighter was called whispering death because of the quietness of the sleeve-valve engines.
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10-07-2005, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by evangilder I seem to remember that the Beaufighter was called whispering death because of the quietness of the sleeve-valve engines. | Thats what I was saying a while back. Don't know much about this plane but it seemed to be everywhere in the Med or in India-Burma. But yes it it seemed to be used as a ground attack plane, especially in the maritime role.
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10-07-2005, 03:10 PM
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10-07-2005, 03:52 PM
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10-07-2005, 04:17 PM
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#120 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | I have been looking for a Beaufighter T-shirt for quite a while. Can't seem to find one here in the states.
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