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  • Kawanashi N1K George

    5 17.86%
  • Nakajima Ki-27 Nate

    0 0%
  • Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar

    4 14.29%
  • Nakajima Ki-84 Frank

    14 50.00%
  • Mitsubishi J2M Jack

    0 0%
  • Other (please specify)

    5 17.86%
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Best Japanese Army Aircraft

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    Best Japanese Army Aircraft

    Which was better against the P-40 and P-51?

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    The KI-84 was the best JAAF fighter IMO, whether it was better than the Mustang? Debatable.

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    George and Jack are not army fighter.

    my vote go to type 1, Oscar

    type 4 was sure best of type 1 but came too late

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    Other (Please specify) Kawasaki Ki-100 was a good 'un. Again, P-51 hard to beat.
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    I think I'd go with the Ki 100 as well.

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    Hayate - Ki-84 - is my bird here.

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    KI-84 for me too

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    None of the above. they are all fighter aircraft which for Japan by 1945 were a waste of time

    If the debate were not given a limited range of aircraft, the best in the fighter catregory would have to be the Nakajima Kikka.

    If the discussion were to be expanded to include those types that might have delivered a slightly different result for Japan, by inducing the americans to relax a little from their "unconditional surrender" declaration, we would have to expand the list to include the unconventional aircraft, and more specifically the specialised suicide craft developed by the Japanese at the end of the war The chances these types would have on any different outcome on the war are extremely low to zero, but at least they have some chance of changing the result, whereas fighters have no chance.

    Best of the special attack types has to be the pulse jet powered Yokosuka "Baka". With an attack speed of 576mph, they were difficulot to stop once launched, though no USN capital ship was ever sunk by them. The USN spent a lot of time and effort hunting down the launch vehicles for these mamnned missiles....the lowly Betty, suggesting a need for a jet powered launch aircraft similar to the AR 234. However the potency of these missiles should not be underestimated. The type never really had much chance to affect the war materially, because by the time they were deployed, Japan was in her death throws. The most successful attack of this type was on 12 April 1945, when nine "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. The destroyer Mannert L. Abele was hit, broke in two, and sank within 30 seconds, . DD Jeffers destroyed an Ohka with AA fire 45 m (50 yd) from the ship, but the resulting explosion was still powerful enough to cause extensive damage, forcing Jeffers to withdraw. The ship was never returned to service

    There was only one recorded hit on a capital ship with the Okha, being in March 1945, on the USS Maryland. A single hit destroyed a 406mm turret.

    As deployed the type had no impact, however the potential to materially affect the war is obvious. If they had been employed enmasse, in groups of say 50 to 100 instead of never more than 20, and the delivery vehicle was somethig faster than the G4M, they may well have caused some sort of upset in the final months of the war, that might have made a difference
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    I'm running with the Ki-84 too.

    ....and confirming the George and Jack were Navy land based interceptors.

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    As always, the BEST plane is the newest plane.

    Most successful might be debatable but success is dependent on a lot of factors that have little to do with the actual design/performamce of the airplane.

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    Ki-100 for me !
    Gérard .

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    I'd have to pick the KI-100 as it was a formidable machine in the hands of an experienced pilot, capable of a one-on-one fight with the P-51D, especially at mid-altitudes...

    The problem with the Nakajima Kikka, was that much like the Me262, it had a short combat radius, problematic engines and would be an easy victim to the P-51D...even the KI-201 Karyu (if it had been produced) wouldn't have fared much better even though it was marginally faster.

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    Parsifal, can't you let us have our fun?! Yes, you are right, but only partially. The Kikka would have been formidable, but I have to go with GrauGeist's comments about it. Did you vote for it in the 'Other' column?

    How about the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden for performance? Looked wicked.
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    It's impossible to compare ki27 & ki84, P40 & P51 !
    Just can say which was the better at a specific date.

    Committed successfully in China from March, 1938, the next year in Mongolia ki27 outclassed biplanes I152 and 153 but knew difficulties in front of I-16 from the moment the soviétics pilots adopted the boom and zoom tactic. Although old-fashioned, type97 all year round on 1942 behaved honorably in CBI.
    Committed in his turn in CBI from December, 1941, the type 1 Hayabusa constituted for the allied airmen an unpleasant surprise, as like that the A6M. Hayabusa spread panic in Malaysia, Burma and over Dutch India.
    But as the zero, ki43 was exceeded by the allied fighters of the second generation in 1943. Ki43III Kô, operational from the mid 44 was a fighter which the only key point was an exceptional maneuverability, despite its performances was granded.
    In the fight, ki84 Hayate showed himself a particularly dangerous opponent for the allies. Faster and better armed than his predecessors, he equalled the level of robustness of his American rivals and showed a much superior maneuverability. Its misfortune was to arrive too late and to be confided to inexperienced pilots, quite as was ki100-type 5 among which only 390 copies were produced...

    source: Bernard Baeza, Les avions de l'Armée impériale, Lela Presse 2011
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    Note: J2M & N1K are not japanese army but japanese navy aircrafts.

    regards
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    Why would we regard the Ki-100 as a tough costumer for Merlinized P-51? Perhaps for P-40, or Spitfire V, but not for P-51.

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