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12-18-2004, 05:05 PM
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#211 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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12-18-2004, 05:09 PM
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#212 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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12-18-2004, 10:05 PM
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#213 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | I cannot compare the blitz with the schwalbe since they provided two differnet types of acitivites. The Arado was superior in the recon role, the 262 as a fighter against bombers if flown in threes
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12-19-2004, 06:48 AM
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#214 | | Master of Ewes
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12-19-2004, 09:09 AM
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#215 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah you can not compare the Blitz with the Schwalbe because they were too different types of aircraft.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-19-2004, 11:10 AM
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#216 | | Master of Ewes
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12-19-2004, 11:21 AM
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#217 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-19-2004, 03:40 PM
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#218 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | Junkers Ju-287 was a novel jet.
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12-19-2004, 04:09 PM
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#219 | | Der Crewchief
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Type: Heavy Bomber
Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerks AG
Model: V1 to V3
Crew: V3: Three
First Flight:
Ju 287 V1: August 16, 1944
Ju 287 V2: 1947 by Soviet Union
Number of Flights: V1: 17
Number Produced: 2, (V3) not completed
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Engine:
Ju 287 V1 & V2:
Model: Junkers Jumo 004
Type: Turbojets
Number: Four Thrust: 1,980lb (900kg)
Note: Four 2,645lb (1,200kg) thrust Walter 501 takeoff
assistance rockets also mounted.
Ju 287 V3:
Model: BMW 003A
Type: Turbojets
Number: Six Thrust: 1,760lb (800kg)
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Dimensions:
Span: 65 ft. 11¾ in. (20.11m)
Length:
Ju 287 V1: 60 ft. 0½ in. (18.30m)
Height: N/A
Wing Area: N/A
Weights:
Empty: 12,510kg
Loaded: 20,000kg
Performance:
Maximum speed:
Ju 287 V1: 560km/h (348mph)
Ju 287 V3: 865kn/h (537mph)
Range with max. bombs (est.):
Ju 287 V3: 1585km (985 miles)
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Armament:
Two MG 131 in remote control tail barbette.
Bombs: Ju 287 V3
8,818 lb. (4000 kg)
Comments:
One of the strangest Luftwaffe aircraft to ever claw it's way into the air was the Junkers Ju 287. Begun in early 1943, the Ju 287 incorporated many advanced aerodynamic concepts, the most striking being the swept forward wings. This design feature was deemed radical enough to warrent the construction of a testbed aircraft, pictured above. This testbed flew on August 16, 1944. The aircraft was a Frankenstien's monster, pieced together from several diffent aircraft. Included were the nosewheels from two B-24 Liberators, the fuselage of an He 177, mainwheels off a Ju 352, and the tail was constructed of Ju 388 parts.
17 test flights proved the concept to have excellent handling characteristics and would have proven a problem had not the allies overrun the testing airfield, capturing the the V1 and the nearly complete V2. The V2 was flown by the Soviet Union in 1947. The V3 failed to get off the drawing board and would have had several improvements. | |
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12-20-2004, 01:05 PM
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#220 | | Master of Ewes
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12-20-2004, 01:41 PM
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#221 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-20-2004, 03:50 PM
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#222 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass are those figures proven?? | Probably, seen as it did fly.
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12-20-2004, 03:55 PM
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#223 | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Quote: |
Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass are those figures proven?? | Probably, seen as it did fly. | It is hard to tell with late war German figures. Often, because of the difficulties and dangers of actual test flights, data is "estimated" based upon what little actual test data there was. This is especially true of things like speed at altitude or range. So it has to be taken with a big grain of salt.
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12-21-2004, 01:18 AM
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#224 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I believe the Ju-287 can be proven and taken seriously. The V-3 version which had the best performance was actually test flown by the Russians in 1947. The Russians trying to get there Jet program up and running would have tested this aircraft and any other they got there hands on to fullest extent.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-21-2004, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I believe the Ju-287 can be proven and taken seriously. The V-3 version which had the best performance was actually test flown by the Russians in 1947. The Russians trying to get there Jet program up and running would have tested this aircraft and any other they got there hands on to fullest extent. | Sure but we would not have access to this test data. What there is is almost certainly captured German data, and as I pointed out, often this was estimated later in the war.
Do you have any access to the Russian info? If not, I have a couple of buddies in Russia who I can ask and see if they have anything.
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