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05-30-2004, 02:54 PM
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#212 | | Master of Ewes
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05-30-2004, 06:51 PM
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Country: | The Fi-156 wasn't that bad, really. I mean, as a recon plane, it worked. Just like any other though, if there was another plane in the sky it was screwed.
Saying that, the PR. XI was pretty damn good.
I'll have to say that the Me262 was the best, on the simple reason it was the most effective. The Ar234 had the potential but it wasn't enough to be worthy of the best, a great recon plane, of course but not much else.
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05-31-2004, 07:08 AM
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Country: | yeah its either the 262 or or the arado, both were great in their roles, but favouritism edges me to go for the arado 
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05-31-2004, 01:49 PM
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#215 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | you're both wrong the best was the metoer.................
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05-31-2004, 02:04 PM
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#216 | | the old Sage
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considering the fact that the Ar 234 and Me 262 variants served and met Allied opposition I think that you can only consider one of the two as being the top notch jets.
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05-31-2004, 11:41 PM
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| Lancaster just gets stuck in his ways. We've already argued the 262 v. Meteor angle to great length. Clearly the 262 was better so just as clearly the Meteor should be out of the 'best jet' argument.
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Country: | And the Me-262 'Schwalbe' should be the victor of it. The first Schwalbe lost to enemy action was over Brussels on 28th August 1944 shot down by two Thunderbolts...is this true?
After the war the Allies discovered weapons about to be tested on the Me-262 weapons such as the MG213 revolver cannon, the SG117 multi-barreled gun and the X-4 guided air to air missiles...scary.
It's good to read...
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Country: | yeah i have to agree with you on the 262 there. 262 first, then the arado, then the meteor 
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Country: | Ar234Bs did get the Remagen bridge after many failed attempts by the Me-262A-2a of the 3/KG 51 though. Just keeping the discussion alive.
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06-01-2004, 10:29 AM
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| Well the Germans threw everything that had at the Remagen bridge. And I actually think the bridge finally gave out not from any one attack but from the combined effect of all the attacks as well as all of the vehicles that were driven across.
I'm not sure about this, but a quick google search suggests that the first Me-262 to be shot down was lost to Spits of No. 401 squadron, Oct. 5, 1944. That may be a reference to first one down by Spits, or the British, or that squadron, I've got no idea.
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Country: | I doubt that would be the first, and not on the basis that the Spitfire was incapable because it certainly was. The date would still suggest that the P-47 achieved the first kill, then again this could be a 'headless' claim by the pilot.
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06-01-2004, 01:23 PM
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#224 | | the old Sage
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Country: | there were several attacks by jets of both Me 262 and Ar 234. As said it was a combination of near misses and the weight of Allied vehicles plus it did not help to have several Falk batteries opposite side of the riover firing at the bridge while the Allies were crossing it.
have a wonderful air account by ace Don Bryan who encountered 4 Ar 234's on different occassions, the last being one of the jets that bombed the bridge, swooped out and up and that was his demise, as Don Bryan rolled pulled up some ugly g's and peppered the jets engines...........
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#225 | | Master of Ewes
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just as clearly the Meteor should be out of the 'best jet' argument.
| and why's that??
it was a jet, and it was the best, so there's no reason to discount it..............
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