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03-29-2005, 12:52 PM
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#496 | | Master of Ewes
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03-30-2005, 09:36 AM
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#497 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-30-2005, 11:41 AM
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#498 | | Senior Member
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| And not to mention that the SU had no own jet development project. They got as much as they could from german research (...and british jet engineering) but they still managed innovative concepts like the project "S" which led to the MiG-15 or Lawotchkins progress to the La-150... 
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03-30-2005, 02:56 PM
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#499 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I thought they had a few programs for themselves, but most of there stuff was taken form others.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-30-2005, 03:34 PM
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#500 | | | Yes the Soviets did have their own jet program. It was just behind because they lacked metals technology during WWII to really pursue it.
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03-30-2005, 03:39 PM
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#501 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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04-02-2005, 04:53 AM
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| Why not give the title to the Gloster Meteor MK III? Sure, it was not as fast or advanced as a Me-262 or P-80 but it bears a very important advantage over other early jets:
1.) ..it was produced in numbers by wars end
2.) ..it has enough fuel to fullfill different roles:
A) interceptor (against V-1)
B) air cover
C) recon
D) escort
3.) ..it was durable enough and well equipped for succesful ground attacks
4.) ...it was deployed on ETO and while it never encountered enemy jets it flew some ground attack sorties (the closest beeing an attack on an Ar-234 B airfield ).
This is making the Meteor an excellent multi purpose plane. Not the best in anything but able to do all jobs (better ground attacker than Me-262/He-162, better dogfighter than Ar-234 and so on...) Donīt this turn the mediocre Meteor in a good one?
And with the introduction of the MK IV in late 1945 it was one of the best, a hard match for a Me-262 or He-162.
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04-02-2005, 06:48 AM
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#503 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I will agree with you that it was a good multi purpose aircraft but I would not classify it as the best. I still the think the Me-262 could outmatch a Meteor and so could a P-80.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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04-05-2005, 05:52 PM
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#504 | | Senior Member
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| Agreed. Both could outmatch a MK III. But the MK IV could outmatch a Me-262 A easily and even a P-80 would have a hard match against the MK IV....
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04-06-2005, 05:12 AM
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#505 | | Master of Ewes
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04-06-2005, 11:29 AM
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#506 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I just think the 262 and P-80 were technically more advanced and better aircraft than the Meteor. I think the Meteor was great for its times. Now the Vampire on the other hand I think would have ruled all 3 of them.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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04-06-2005, 12:04 PM
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#507 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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04-06-2005, 02:54 PM
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#508 | | Senior Member
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| I think the Re-2007 is very much overrated. It probably lacked both, speed and range compared to other early jets. And it was years away from deployment.
the Vampire would be exceptionally good but it wasnīt deployed in numbers (as was the P-80).
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04-07-2005, 04:58 PM
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#509 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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04-10-2005, 12:10 PM
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#510 | | Senior Member
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| By the way, what plane do you think would have been the first
to break Mach 1 (when and why)? (...a little off-topic...)
Miles M.52
DFS 346
or X-1
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