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03-03-2005, 04:23 PM
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Country:  | CC, that was a good question, so I will look it up, but I have never found any referances for Russian NFs.
CC, question is that an Italian fighter? Looks like the Re2000?
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03-03-2005, 04:27 PM
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Country:  | Yes it is an Italian fighter, but no, it is not the Re-2000, the Re-2000 had a radial. It is the MC.202 
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03-04-2005, 04:26 PM
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Country: | Opps 
I should have picked that up. the MC. 202 was a nice plane, even ome fought with the south when Italy fell out of the war, yes?
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03-04-2005, 04:32 PM
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Country: | Most likely, but by the time Italy signed the Armistice they were just introducing the Series 5 fighters into service (MC.205, Re-2005, G.55) and they were used in preference over the older MC.202.
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03-04-2005, 05:03 PM
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03-05-2005, 05:27 AM
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Country:  | nice pic, you can see the Schrage Musik. Why didn't the Allies use someting like that?
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03-05-2005, 06:45 AM
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Country: | Nice pic!  Cant see the Schrage Musik though...
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03-05-2005, 09:11 AM
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Country: | They're on the top of the fuselage- look for a pair of "sticks" pointing upwards
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03-05-2005, 05:20 PM
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Country: | So the Ju-88? But that small tight cockpit, how did the tall pilot stand it? And the gu sights outside the plane?
As for the Allied useing the up angled guns I thought it was tried as an experiment but latter dropped? Any help? 
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03-05-2005, 06:04 PM
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Country: | it wasn't that tight since it could handle four crewmembers in 1945.
none of the sights were outsdie the cockpit. A reflex visor was installed and upward director to fire the Schräge-Musik installation of 1-2 guns. | |
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03-06-2005, 10:19 AM
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Country: | Then again, our nightfighters did more than okay against german bombers and nightfighters
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03-06-2005, 11:18 AM
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Country: | One problem with Allied aircraft using Schrage-Musik was that German bombers likt the He111 and Ju88 had ventral guns, which rendered the attack profile suicidal. Oddly, Bomber Command never caught on and never fitted ventral guns to its heavies 
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03-06-2005, 11:22 AM
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Country: | There was a ventral turret on the Lanc but it was removed to accomodate a larger bombload
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03-06-2005, 12:06 PM
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Country: | nice pic erich............
and as for why we didn't use any weapons similar to Schrage Musik, well what would we use them on??
and as for the ventral guns on bomber command aircraft?? our bombers didn't depend on heavy armourment, we used allot of evasive manouvers, the fitting of the ventral turret was heavy, caused a dramatic reduction on manouverability and performance, reduced the payload carrying ability of the lanc, would have prevented the fitting of H2S and well, was really quite ugly.........
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03-06-2005, 01:07 PM
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Country: | Good points Lanc, but a simple flexible mount with two .303s would have made Schrage Musik unworkable, as the nightfighter need to formate on the Lanc before firing. It seems that Bomber Command iugnored a very simple solution. And a two-gun flex mount near the wing roots (which is where the SM system was usually aimed would not have interfered with payload, maneuverability of H2S to any significant degree.
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