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Country:  | The slow roll problems of the P-38 were solved with the introduction of boosed ailerons on the late J models. Quote: |
The P-38J-25-LO production block also introduced power-boosted ailerons. These consisted of ailerons that were operated by a hydraulically-actuated bell-crank and push-pull rod, making it easier for the pilot to maneuver the airplane at high airspeeds. This boosting system was one of the first applications of powered controls to any fighter, and required only 17 percent of the previous stick forces. The hydraulic aileron booster system vastly improved the roll rate and thereby increased the effectiveness of the P-38 in combat. P-38Js with power-boosted ailerons proved to have the highest roll-rates of any fighter.
| But the roll advantage was only at high speeds as seen here: P-38L Roll Chart | 
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Country: | When the war ended an immdiate stop order went into affect on the P-38 production line.
Went to JoeB's site and through notes attached to the Serial Number list, the last USAAF/ USAF P-38s went away in 1947, at least based on the information listed. 1944 USAAF Serial Numbers (44-001 to 44-30910)
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Originally Posted by syscom3  Who cares what happened after 1945. Anything with a piston engine after that year was obsolescent. | Was it? How about on a carrier as earlier pointed out? Also consider close support roles where jets couldn't support because of fuel consumption. As a front line air-to-air fighter, yes, for some other roles, no.
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Country: | That what I said.  Plus the capability of operating of small/rough airstrips was an advantage as well. | |
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Big paragragh, LOL. | It does make it tough to read it.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Was it? How about on a carrier as earlier pointed out? Also consider close support roles where jets couldn't support because of fuel consumption. As a front line air-to-air fighter, yes, for some other roles, no. | Yes, any piston engined military aircraft after 1946 was on borrowed time. Anything after the late 40's was the exception rather than the rule.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Yes, any piston engined military aircraft after 1946 was on borrowed time. Anything after the late 40's was the exception rather than the rule. | Really?
Then why is the C-130 still being used today?
Edit: I just re-read your post and realized it was about piston aircraft and not prop aircraft.
C-130 is a turbo prob and not a piston aircraft...
Sorry about that sys. 
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Yes, any piston engined military aircraft after 1946 was on borrowed time. Anything after the late 40's was the exception rather than the rule. | Douglas Skyraider - 1946-1974 - 28 years.
Douglas A-26 (B-26) - 1944-1972 - 28 years.
North American T-28 - 1949 - 1984 - 35 years.
I don't know Sys, with just 2 attack and one trainer I come up with 91 years worth of borrowed time!
How about C-54s, C-119, C-121s, and C-123s - all military transports used well into the jet age?!?!?
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Joe, you are good. LOL
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Country: | Sorry guys, I am a hunt and peck typist and have not figured out how to do paragraphs on a computer. I apologise. But yes, piston engined AC still had their uses long after WW2. The early jets did not have the short field capabilities of the props plus many could not carry the loads and did not have the range and loiter time and were not as accurate with bombs. | |
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Country: | Oh - and let's not forget this one - first flew in 1945, entered service in 1946....
33 years worth of "borrowed time." 
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Country: | Although I do not think the Hellcat is the best fighter in the Pacific, I do think it was one of, if not the most important plane in the Pacific. How would things have turned out if the Navy had to fly to the Wildcat until the Corsair was approved for carrier use? I think it was the right plane at the right time. It definitely turned the tide in favor of the Allies in the Pacific air war.
I'm not all that familiar with too masny of the IJN planes other than the Zero.
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Country: | I had to go with the P-38. Although as i said, I think the Hellcat was the most vital or important plane. But with the ability to pick when and where you fight, dive in and climb out, Cheddar changed my mind. The P-38 was not always the top in every category, but it close to the top in almost all performance categories.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Douglas Skyraider - 1946-1974 - 28 years.
Douglas A-26 (B-26) - 1944-1972 - 28 years.
North American T-28 - 1949 - 1984 - 35 years.
I don't know Sys, with just 2 attack and one trainer I come up with 91 years worth of borrowed time!
How about C-54s, C-119, C-121s, and C-123s - all military transports used well into the jet age?!?!? | Only three? I thought you could come up with dozens! Sounds like they were an exception to the rule.
Like I said, any piston engined airplane after the 40's was living on borrowed time.
Now tell me what piston engined aircraft were front line bombers or fighters?
BTW, the C119 and C123's were retrofitted with jet engines so as to not be totally useless.
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