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11-24-2004, 03:37 PM
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#76 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese But also due to lack of resources yes?
(PS: post more - I wanna make it to 6000 tonight!) | Yeh, that's why I mentioned materials... | 
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11-25-2004, 11:39 AM
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RG, I have read many sources thast say the Shiden was the best Jap fighter...
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11-25-2004, 12:48 PM
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#78 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | It was mostly do to recourses, there was more abundant timber than anything else for the Germans.
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11-25-2004, 02:50 PM
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Country: | Although it has to be the worst material possible for use on a jet.
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11-26-2004, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Didnt see that bit
RG, I have read many sources thast say the Shiden was the best Jap fighter... | The George was probably the best IJN fighter. The Frank was the best IJA fighter. Search on the Ki-84 Frank and read for yourself.
BTW: Read Sabaru Sakia's comments on the George, he thought it was a pile of crap. | |
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11-26-2004, 10:43 AM
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#81 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-26-2004, 11:37 AM
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Country: | Looks like this poll is stabilizing a bit now. Im surprised the Hellcat doesnt have more votes.
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11-26-2004, 11:43 AM
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#83 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-26-2004, 12:31 PM
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| It was the first aircraft to defeat the Zero in all areas: manoverability, armor (what didn't?), speed, armament, range...
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Why, none other than the Zero's designer... | |
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11-26-2004, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Looks like this poll is stabilizing a bit now. Im surprised the Hellcat doesnt have more votes. | The Hellcat was made to defeat the Zero, which it did very well. It was tough and it was easy to fly from carriers, but it was not a match for the F4U or the P-51 or even the Frank or George.
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11-26-2004, 01:50 PM
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Country:  | Lunitic, nice to see you. When we talk of Aircraft and have left off the P-47 or feel that the P-38 lost the glory to the F4F or F6F please remember that there were US aircraft fighting in India, Burma and China even before 1941. That yes they were mostly P-40s, but the AVG did have P-47 and P-51s latter in the war. As for the IJA they were fighting in China and in support of operations aginst Port Morsby. So please remember that the Pacific was not just the big carrier battles! 
P-47s flew off carriers in support of Sipian and were very well liked.
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11-26-2004, 02:48 PM
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| I say the N1J , it was quite strong , and had some good armament , in the form of 4 20mm's ( I think ) . it was originally a floatplane i think but they desided it was better as a fighter .
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11-26-2004, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeomanz I say the N1J , it was quite strong , and had some good armament , in the form of 4 20mm's ( I think ) . it was originally a floatplane i think but they desided it was better as a fighter . | Those 4 x 20mm's were powerful, but fired slow at 490 rpm. The Army's Ho-5 however, fired a smaller round but at a high Rof of ~800 rpm.
type round prj. wt RoF mv ke/s
Ho-5 (Type 2) 20 x 94 96 750-850 715 43.0
Type 99-2 20 x 101RB 128 490 750 30.7
From the data above you can see that the Army's Ho-5 was probably the better gun, certainly for fighter combat. It's 96 gram round does not hit quite as hard, but it put out about 2/3rds more volume of fire. Comparing the George's 4 x Type 99-II's to the Frank Ib's 4 x Ho-5's, this is a huge difference. The George would put out 32 rounds per second, the Frank would put out about 53 rounds per second.
But the real issue is the planes themselves. All the info we have from Allied pilots says the Frank was the most feared Japanese fighter of the late Pacific war. And there were a lot more Franks built than George's.
Oh, and even as a float plane the George was always a "fighter".
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11-26-2004, 03:24 PM
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#89 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Hellcat was in my opinion the best all around Carrier born fighter of the war, but the Corsair was by far the best. Well atleast in my opionion.
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11-26-2004, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GermansRGeniuses It was the first aircraft to defeat the Zero in all areas: manoverability, armor (what didn't?), speed, armament, range...
Who said this?
Why, none other than the Zero's designer... | Was it really more manoeverable? I thought the Zero was the most manoeverable plane of the war...
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