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11-26-2004, 03:51 PM
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#91 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I may be wrong but I think the zero was more maneuverable but the armor of the hellcat allowed it to beat out the zero.
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11-26-2004, 04:02 PM
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11-26-2004, 04:07 PM
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#93 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Like I said though I may be wrong, I do not know much about the pacific theatre aircraft.
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11-26-2004, 04:23 PM
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#94 | | | The Zero was very manuverable - at about 180 IAS. By 225 it was getting very stiff, by 250 it was a total dog.
Starting with the F6F, US fighters were designed to simply fly faster than the Zero could be competitive. The F6F was simply designed to fight at speeds of 250-275 IAS, which was sufficient to ensure it had all the advantages over the Zero. All the Zero could do was turn, and in doing so it lost speed and energy, giving even more advantage to the enemy who would simply zoom off and come around for another high speed pass. The Zero's were pretty much helpless as long as the Allied pilot did not actually slow down and try to turn with them and stay on their six.
The F4U was a carrier plane, it just took a while (and some innovation by the Brits) to develop the techniques needed to use it effectively as such. By late 1944, the Corsairs were operating off Carriers quite effectively.
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11-27-2004, 03:35 AM
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#95 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | I was gonna say about the Zero only really manouvering at low speeds, which is why you never get into a low level turning dogfight with one, you wont win..............
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11-27-2004, 06:58 AM
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11-27-2004, 09:55 AM
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#97 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | dude your name makes do difference ot a dogfight, if anything the extra paint used to paint your name on the side of a plane only slows you down...................
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11-27-2004, 11:34 AM
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11-27-2004, 02:41 PM
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Country:  | The Zero was very good, but the Ki-84, and Ki-64 were better and designed for higher speed and had the armor to fight. Also remember that by 1943 the IJN had lost its carrier force and the Navy was not building carrier aircraft as fast as Army planes. Home deffence was most important. 
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11-27-2004, 06:14 PM
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#100 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Come on, It was the Corsair!
After WWII, they were all remved form the USAF, but when the Korean
War flared up, they were re-eqipped in several different units.
They were that good!
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11-28-2004, 08:03 AM
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#101 | | Your ad here. ;)
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Country: | The F4U was a great plane, BUT you talk about a real bear to land! The cockpit was too far back to make it easy to land on a base, much less a carrier. Because of that and the stability as a gun platform, the Hellcat was chosen to be the Pacific night fighter.
At low speeds, the Zero could out-turn anything. At high speeds, it was not as manueverable. The key was big ailerons, the ones on the Zero are really big. Joel Paris, who flew P-40s said that the ailerons on the Zero were "big as barn doors". But those ailerons did not have the strength at high speed to make high speed rolls. Most pilots agreed that over 275 MPH, anything could out-turn a zero.
One more thing, the AVG NEVER flew the P-51 or P-47. They were disbanded on July 4, 1942 and absorbed into the Army. The Army unit that replaced the AVG, the 23rd FG, also called the China Air Task Force did fly the P-51 and 47.
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11-30-2004, 01:29 PM
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Country: | Evenglider, thanks, I knew the AVG was disbanded, but also that a lot of the pilots were still pying in China. But as for a bear on a carrier, I found this pick of P-47s on the CVE Minilla Bay getting ready to fly off to fight over Saipan. 
The water spouts behind the carrier are from Jap bombs 
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11-30-2004, 02:54 PM
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12-01-2004, 07:18 AM
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#104 | | Your ad here. ;)
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Country: | That is a great picture. I think I will add that to my collection! I will be giving a presentation on the P-47 in December and that will make a nice addition. Thanks!
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12-03-2004, 01:51 PM
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#105 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | abviously they were being ferried to a land base, they didn't operate off the carrier 
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